IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0

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  1. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0 (40 messages)

    IBM has rescheduled its release of J2EE 1.3 certified Websphere Application Server 5 from September to late November, saying it "reprioritized" its schedule in order to release Websphere Studio 5 first - a break from the usual order of releases. Analysts said the delay shouldn't be seen as a big setback.

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  2. Hmmm...
    IBM WSAD 4.0 gets hell of slow the more EJBs you have in your project (in my current project: around 65 EJBs)... I hope they fixed these problems in release 5.0...

    --Rias
  3. Sounds like a design issue to me
  4. No, it's not a design issue.
    I setup my project just as they did in their tutorials, except that I have a few more EJBs in it...
    We switched to JBuilder *only* because of these problems...

    Anyone else out there working with WSAD 4.0 with a lot of EJBs in their projects? Any performance-problems?

    --Rias
  5. JBoss has had a J2EE 1.3 based implementation available since June....and its free. Try it out.
  6. Hey, I think the guys from Pramati have the fully certified J2EE 1.3 certified GA offering since Jan 02

    What do they have that IBM doesnt??

    Rob
  7. <Robert Brown>
    Hey, I think the guys from Pramati have the fully certified J2EE 1.3 certified GA offering since Jan 02

    What do they have that IBM doesnt??
    </Robert Brown>

    The difference is that IBM is a big numb company. They put more and more people to fix a problem, not a better strategy. While Weblogic is implemented by a team of 6 guys WAS is done by a team of hundreds of 1000's. IIRC (from an IBM conference) 1500 programmers in 12 countries, but I might be wrong about the exact number.

    Ara.
  8. How many in your team Billy?

    Also, wls6.1 ships with pretty much all of J2EE 1.3, it falls short in a few areas of the servlet and JSP spec, but nothing significant.
  9. <Ara>
    While Weblogic is implemented by a team of 6 guys WAS is done by a team of hundreds of 1000's. IIRC (from an IBM conference) 1500 programmers in 12 countries, but I might be wrong about the exact number.
    </Ara>

    Ummm...I think you may be comparing the number of people on the Weblogic EJB Container team (a subcomponent of Weblogic app server) to the number of people on the entire WebSphere platform product set. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison :)

    Randy
  10. I'm not sure exactly where you're slow but WSAD 4 was based on eclipse V1, 5.0 is on V2.0 although there was a refresh of WSAD 4 on V2 also. 5.0 is way faster than 4.0 is (speaking as someone using it day to day, most of us (was team) are now using wsad to develop the WAS runtime also, it's a lot better now than before with large projects).

    Products like commerce server (hundreds of EJBs) are being used to sort out WSAD 5 so it should be better. Build times are faster and validation can be turned off when using large projects. It worth saying also that the incremental compiler can also be switched on when you have a large number of modules loaded.

    when importing ears, you can also specify which modules are binary and which are source. It's faster when you just have source modules for the ones you are working on. We use all of these tricks with the runtime.

    Billy (IBM WAS team, views don't represent the views of IBM)
  11. For WSAD 4.0 - what version is the refresh of 2.0? I'm using WSAD 4.0.3 and Eclipse 2.0. I can tell that WSAD's basic funtionality is the same as 1.0 (Help about says WSW 1.0). Is there a more current version?
  12. Sorry guys,
    I confused the previews for WSAD 5 available within IBM with a imagined (on my part) eclipse 2 based WSAD 4.

    Sorry for the confusion. WSAD 5 is the answer from a performance view for WSAD 4. It also does WAS 4 development and has a lot of improvements over 4 from many perspectives.

    Again sorry,
    Thanks
    Billy
  13. Boy, I feel let down (really, i do). Now if we can just get you to slip up and reveal the WSAD 5 release date. Or did you? So when WAS 5 comes out we will get a beta of WSAD 5? I thought (was told) it was going to be released this year.
  14. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0[ Go to top ]

    Ok. Maybe I read things wrong. WSAD will be in September and WAS beta with it?
  15. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0[ Go to top ]

    Ok. Maybe I read things wrong.

    >WSAD will be in September
    > and WAS beta with it?

    That's what I meant to say, on the basis of the original story quoting an IBM spokesperson.
  16. I wish BEA would learn some thing from IBM . Weblogic 7.0 is su ch piece of junk app server I am amazed how did they get certified. There is no scalability or stability in Weblogic 7...just pushing out a new appserver doesnt mean you have accomplished any thing.
  17. What has your experience been? My short experience with 7.0.0.1 has been that it's a million times better than 6.1. Much more stable, robust. I haven't had any problems with WLS 7 at all.

    Steve
  18. It's a standard beginning of another religious war :-)

    Recently I "downgraded" to WebSphere 4.0.3 from WebLogic 6.1 sp2 - this seems, sounds and feels weird. But it's a company policy. Everyone can make a good application with WebLogic. But if you manage to do the same with WebSphere - this means you are a really tough Java programmer / developer :-)

    Max.
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    I must be a "tough Java programmer / developer". Don't know what the fuss is though. I can take my J2EE app and run it in any java app server.
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    I also can run the enterprise application, counting the sum of 2 numbers, on every app server.

    But long as your application involves some appserver-specific resources, forget about portability. And not using these resources is even worse than misuse of them, 'cos your company pays money for development, not for the reinventing of the wheel.

    Max.
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    <Q>
    appserver-specific resources
    </Q>

    Ours does more than add two numbers. And it doesn't use appserver-specific resources (So we can switch app servers). It does use vendor specific tools but those are used via interface and thus impact is greatly minimized.

    The problem is not many know how or are willing to take the extra 2 seconds to do it.

      
  22. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0[ Go to top ]

    you need to go on an EJB diet.
  23. IBM nudges back release of WebSphere 5.0[ Go to top ]

    you need to go on an EJB diet


    I'm currently [EJB] fasting.
  24. The good news part of this is that WSAD 5.0 *will* be available in September, include a beta runtime of WSAD 5.0.

    So really we will have everything we needed to get started developing on 5.0, within a month.

    Besides J2EE 1.3, WSAD 5.0 will also include a Visual Composition Editor, of the type that was in VisualAge.
  25. Don Brady said: "Besides J2EE 1.3, WSAD 5.0 will also include a Visual Composition Editor, of the type that was in VisualAge.", we tried downloading the WSAD 5.0 from IBM website but we haven't found the Visual Composition Editor... where is it??,

    can anyone suggest us a Visual Composition Editor tool, nice to be used with Eclipse 2.0??

    thanks in advance,
    Yanke
  26. You were able to download WSAD 5.0?
  27. you can download "WebSphere Technology for Developers is a preview of the WebSphere Application Server V5 technology." from:
    http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/search.jsp?go=y&rs=wstd

    by,
    Yanke
  28. you can download "WebSphere Technology for Developers ...


    That looks to be WAS not WSAD. Did it also include WSAD?
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    Its WAS only. Its doesn't include WSAD.
  30. Oops, sorry,
    you're right it's only WAS 5.0... that's why there is no Visual Composition tool .... :-)

    I hope that IBM will release it soon...
    bye
  31. Does anyone know when an evaluation copy of WebSphere Application Developer 5.0 will become available? Someone had mentioned September but so far I haven't seen anything posted on IBM's website.

    Thanks.
    Stefan
  32. WebSphere 5.0 on HP-UX[ Go to top ]

    IBM won't release Websphere 5.0 on HP-UX until 2003.

  33. WebSphere 5.0 on HP-UX[ Go to top ]

    Sounds like you need some brand new IBM hardware. ;-)
  34. WebSphere 5.0 on HP-UX[ Go to top ]

    I cannot figure out why my employer wants to run Websphere on HP-UX. Very strange combination :)

  35. BEA has been shipping a J2EE 1.3 compliant app server (Weblogic 7.0) since April 30, 2002:

    http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=13256

    I guess that I will have to wait until November for IBM to release an app server that supports J2EE 1.3
  36. Weblogic 7.0 is not yet production stable. Until their release of ServicePack 2, BEA itself claimed, that WL7 isn't yet mature enough for production use. So we have to stick with WL6.1 SP3. So where is the advantage of shipping a so called J2EE 1.3 compliant app server, if you can only play with it ??
  37. When IBM ships v5.0 you will have the stability/maturity issues similiar to the WLS 7.0 release. Based on previous WS releases it is doubtful that you would want to deploy on v5.0 immediately.
  38. If it takes as long to implement the J2EE 1.4 spec as it did to implement the J2EE 1.3 spec, can expect production ready J2EE 1.4 compliant containers around the middle of the year 2004?
  39. Hi, I'm also curious in the "new" version of WSAD 4 that should be based on Eclipse 2. I haven't heard of this before and it would be quite interesting if somebody has any information about this topic.
    Special interest for us has the fact how to integrate the version control plugin for Perforce http://p4eclipse.sourceforge.net/wiki/ which is based on Eclipse 2 into WSAD 4.0.3 which is based on E1.

    Any idea?
    Any help is really appreciated.
    Thanks in advance,

    Michel
  40. I forgot to toss in that I did notice major performance diff between E1 and E2. I would love to have this asap in WSAD 4.0. Plus with E2 I can debug Java 1.4 with out blowing up.
  41. That's not possible because Eclipse 1 doesn't come with the Team API which was introduced with Eclipse 2.

    Boris