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News: Linux making major headway in enterprise server space

  1. A lot of linux news has come out recently. The German city of Munich has decided to convert 14,000 windows servers to Linux, research shows that Linux is the fastest growing of all operating systems, with a cumulative annual growth rate of 34 per cent, and the President of India has publically called on IT professionals to focus on OSS instead of windows.

    TSS itself is launched on an all-Linux cluster. :)

    Related articles:
    Linux heats up the enterprise apps space.
    According to Scott Handy, director of IBM's Linux solutions marketing group, Linux has now matured sufficiently to be hailed as an "industrial enterprise-class Internet server for web applications", writes Fran Howarth, of Bloor Research.

    Munich breaks with Windows for Linux.
    The local government in Munich, Germany, has voted to move 14,000 computers from Microsoft's Windows to the rival Linux operating system, despite efforts by the software giant to hang onto the multimillion-dollar contract.

    Take on Gates, Kalam tells Indian techies
    President A P J Abdul Kalam on Wednesday urged Indian IT professionals to develop and specialise in open source code software rather than use proprietary solutions based on systems such as Microsoft Windows.

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  2. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    Next up: "Economy starts to slow for .com tech sector", or "Microsoft gets beach-head in the office productivity software market with Word(tm) and Excel(tm)."

    ;-)

    Peace,

    Cameron Purdy
    Tangosol, Inc.
    Coherence: Easily share live data across a cluster!
  3. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    You know, I'm almost completely off of windows. I just prefer unix/linux over windows. I find myself to be more productive in those environments. That's certainly not to say that my experience is indicative of ANYTHING. It's just me.

    As far as servers go, NACSE uses all Solaris or Linux, and both work very well for us.

    As far as workstations go, I'm the only one here using Linux as my primary machine. We've got a bunch of Solaris people, and one or two OS X people, but most are still on windows.

    That said, no matter how hard I try, I still have a couple of apps that I use regularly that only run on windows. Drives me batty that I have a two PC's, one Linux machine for most everything, and another Windows machine that I use to listen to music and use about 2 applications that I actually need for development work.

    Jason McKerr
    Northwest Alliance for Computational Science and Engineering
  4. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    I just converted my windows box to linux, also bought a new powerbook from apple which is OS X based on freeBSD. The only windows apps I have to use are the ones which my coworkers are expecting such as word, excel, but these come on OS X as well so no worries.

    tx

    Matt
  5. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    Hey Jason,

    I too have been doing all of my devlopment in Linux - I am running Red Hat 8 (soon to upgrade to 9). Instead of using two machines - check out VMWare. It is a great way to run your Windoze stuff within your Linux environment.
  6. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    Do you use PowerBook for Java application development? I think most of the Application servers do not support OS X, how are you managing?

    Thanks,
    Sanjay
  7. Nice headline!!![ Go to top ]

    Yep-Indian president Mr. Abdul Kalam Azad, the leading man in India's missile program is a different kind of president, and with his kind of thinking and motivation, all India is going to follow his directions.

    The news had made biggies in Microsoft to think on their pricing policy. They are considering opening the source code to Indian Govt. (I guess they already did it with some European govt.). But what they are missing here is the whole Open Source community and India’s contribution in this.

    Looking at the number of discussions within friends and the usage of frameworks available on Jakarta, and all other open source sites. I am for sure confident that MS is going back to America.

    Indian SOHO (Small Office Home Office) has already hooked on to Open Source bandwagon(I have seen my friends wiht LINUX on their laptops) and now its turn for Big Corporate to join in.
    For India to get all LINUX its up to the western business houses to adapt it and then India will start development on LINUX.

    As of now we are the "Kings Of Offshore Development". And if LINUX is picking up then India is going to become Mecca of Software development. I will like to take this opportunity to invite you all good and intelligent people to India, and start your own businesses here. This is the future Mecca of Software Development.

    Long lives the “Open Source” revolution.

    (One thing I will like to clear here, the last paragraph is because of my happiness of final results and speculations about the future, hence no hard feeling friends.)

    Regards
    Chetan
  8. Linux as desk top is great[ Go to top ]

    We are using linux Redhat8.0/9.0 as desktop for day to day use. Java developement and using open office is easy in Linux. We are not seeing any issue as linux as our desktop.
  9. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    Well, for me Windows is still useful and I don't see it going away even in the next 15 years or so (and probably a lot longer than that). I probably could do most of my work and personal stuff on linux, but Windows has become so stable and is so convenient that I'm not really pressed to convert to another OS. Besides, programs like photoshop can't be replaced (gimp isn't the answer), multimedia stuff just runs so much better (movies in all formats and mp3s) and .NET is somewhat useful to make stuff in that you only expect to run on windows machines anyway (mainly personal programs that make me more productive). IDEA runs great on windows too and I have a database server and web application server installed and always running. I'm not giving huge props to MS or naything, but I hardly see Windows being beat in the workstation market. As for the server side of things, windows has been and probably always will be a step behind linux and java. It's funny that iis and the new windows server 2003 finally include features that we had with servlets a few years ago.. heh.
  10. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    I agree with the assessment. MSFT couldn't care less about a couple thousand or even a hundred thousand hard-core Java developers replacing their Windows dev PC's for Linux, as long as it still has 50 million other people using Windows XP. MSFT does see a growing threat from Linux to its server OS, but I would say Unix is hurt much worse by Linux. MSFT still has the cash cow in its Office suite if Windows 2003 fails to generate revenue fast enough. In contrary, what does SUNW have beside Solaris and a handful of expensive models of Unix boxes?
  11. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    "MSFT couldn't care less about a couple thousand or even a hundred thousand hard-core Java developers replacing their Windows dev PC's for Linux"

    This is plain wrong. It is not about the hardcore Java developers Microsoft cares about. If the project in Munich works out fine and 14000 PC's running MS Windows/Office get ported to Linux/OOffice, then this is a major signal to all technical laymen that open source works and having MS in the office is not necessary. Mayors of all cities will review their budgets and turn their backs on the MS products. The wave will start to roll. However, if Munich fucks this project up (if Munich does not work out as expected:), Microsoft will have just one more shiny example that illustrates, that "Open Source is not where it advertises to be." Or so.
  12. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    I earlier said: "MSFT couldn't care less about a couple thousand or even a hundred thousand hard-core Java developers replacing their Windows dev PC's for Linux",

    and you said: "This is plain wrong. ... If the project in Munich works out fine and 14000 PC's running MS Windows/Office get ported to Linux/OOffice, then this is a major signal to all technical laymen that open source works and having MS in the office is not necessary. ... The wave will start to roll..."

    If this experiment does end successful, yeah I agree MSFT has to change its agressive and predative upgrading terms for the OS and Office Suite, and has to accept the fact that it will get less money from them, but realistically I don't see Windows OS going away from the corporate desktops any time soon. Think about how many (wo)man-hour they have to spend changing the OS, and training the desk support persons to get up to speed with the new OS. At the end the TCO is not as attractive as it may sound. Not to mention millions of school and home users, who are dependent on Windows to play games, audio, and video. Linux is not for prime time in those areas yet.

    I agree Linux can replace Win NT/2K on the server side, but I believe the Unix vendors are stand to loose more.
  13. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    "I agree Linux can replace Win NT/2K on the server side, but I believe the Unix vendors are stand to loose more"

    Well, most of the UNIX vendors sell Linux servers also ( IBM,HP, even Sun sign with RedHat, Oracle , IBM, Sybase all of them have Linux version of their products and etc) so I think that they will manage if their UNIX sales drop a lot. But what MS is going to sell ? So I think on the server side Linux is bigger danger for MS than for the UNIX vendors. On the client side MS is the only one that can loose.

    Regards,
    Alex
  14. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    I think its absurd to start saying that Windows is doomed and Linux will take over the world. It can only be a fantasy. In the real world both platforms has a place. I dont see either one of them eating up the other. The market needs of the enterprise application realm and the desktop realm is completly different. One operating sytem cannot possibly encompass and satisfy the market needs of these two realms.
           It makes a lot of sense for OSS to play a major role in building enterprise applications. It gives greater control, less fear of a lock-in, lower capital and maintenance costs. Above all, it gives the customer, access to its internals and tweak it as needed. But, on the desktop realm the market demands are completly different. The average customer is not technology savvy, and doesnt want to have the abiltity to go into the internals and be able to tweak with it. Vendor lock-in isnt even a problem. They just want a system thats very easy to use, user-friendly, availability of their favorite softwares on that platform(I could name thousands of applications that's not available in Linux yet). Ability to play some cool video games and then also do some accounting using a MoneyManager software. Microsoft has probably a process in place to understand these average customer needs, do some market research and then provide it.
           So, dont make this a religious war. Use a platform that makes more sense to your needs. We are using JBoss on Linux for my companies enterprise needs and its working wonderfully. At the same time, I'm happy using windows at home.
    W.
  15. windows is still useful[ Go to top ]

    "I think its absurd to start saying that Windows is doomed and Linux will take over the world. It can only be a fantasy "

    I don't think that I said anything like that. Of course that MS is not going away. What I want to say that the success of Linux will hurt more MS than the UNIX vendors.

    Regards,
    Alex
  16. "I agree Linux can replace Win NT/2K on the server side, but I believe the Unix vendors are stand to loose more"

    >
    > Well, most of the UNIX vendors sell Linux servers also ( IBM,HP, even Sun sign with RedHat, Oracle , IBM, Sybase all of them have Linux version of their products and etc) so I think that they will manage if their UNIX sales drop a lot. But what MS is going to sell ? So I think on the server side Linux is bigger danger for MS than for the UNIX vendors. On the client side MS is the only one that can loose.
    >
    > Regards,
    > Alex

    Well... microsoft now has a stake of caldera so they will survive too. ;)

    Leonardo Bueno
  17. Linux Multimedia[ Go to top ]

    Xine beats any Windows Movie Player. It even runs some CDs that Windows could not even read. Quality is superb(comparable to PowerDVD). I don't see much difference between Winamp and XMMS(probably there aren't any). So why do I still use Windows?
    1)UltraEdit(there are no comparable editor in the Linux world, Anjuta, VI, Emacs are no replacements for this superb editor, I hate the Wine concept, so if anyone out there know of a comparable editor, please tell me).
    2)Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and couple of other cool games
  18. Linux Multimedia[ Go to top ]

    Visual Slick Edit

    Peace,

    Cameron Purdy
    Tangosol, Inc.
    Coherence: Easily share live data across a cluster!
  19. I second on visual slick[ Go to top ]

    Cameron,

    I to agree that Visual Slick is a great editor and better then ultra edit.
  20. I second on visual slick[ Go to top ]

    I´ll have to try that..
    I have emacs installed, it is horrible, a relic that should be permanently put to sleep.
  21. Linux Multimedia[ Go to top ]

    JEDIT is a great editor

    http://jedit.org
  22. My development team..[ Go to top ]

    We use Linux primarily for our desktops in development. Its simpler, cheaper, and more effective for people. We have others we share documents with, so outside of the team we do work/excel/etc compatible documents, but inside we use OpenOffice's native XML formats. (They are smaller and faster to load..)

    This setup works well, and keeps things simple when we deploy either on Sun Servers, or build a Java app to deploy on a Windows desktop. VMWare is wonderful for testing the Windows end of things, as somebody mentioned.

    Really.. these days you are almost to the point where you can let people use the desktop that best suits them. They can share files, formats, development, code, etc.. (our team is distributed though.. no central IT people having fits about non-standard desktops or things..)

    I have one Mac OS X box, and really enjoy the interface. How is IDEA on this platform? The Java environment is 1.4, so it should run the app servers fine..
  23. NO MS Win garba'ge in here[ Go to top ]

    I wiped MS spindooze off my two intel boxes a year ago. And have not
    looked back since. I use Mandrake 9.0. Doing Java development.
    Using eclipse as my IDE. JBoss 3.2.1 as my app server. MySQL as the DB server
    And office dot org as my word processor.
    I am very pleased developing under Linux. No blue screens. No lock ups,
    excellent I/O through put. Choice of window managers, L&F's, desktops etc...
    I have not had a lock up yet. Besides that. Swing performs very nicely
    on Linux. My take.

    Out.
  24. Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    Interesting "news", but perhaps not so much of news really.
    But I am a very recent convert: just removed windows and installed Redhat 9 yesterday actually. On a Dell C400 laptop, no problems whatsoever, just a touchpad not working for about 15 minutes before I got it fixed..
    Theres really only one thing I miss: Visio (anyone no of any alternatives for linux? Not Dia, its not very good, even though its made by some people from my old university. :) ).

    Otherwise I would have to say I feel more productive, and it is more natural to move stuff as well considering most projects I work on either have Solaris, Aix or Linux as their production environments.

    Last time I used Linux seriously was sometime back in the RedHat 5/6 days, it really has taken great strides forward, both as a server OS and desktop OS, I actually think Gnome looks better than win xp now..
  25. Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    A number of linux converts have mentioned they feel more productive under linux. Why is this? I haven't used linux for any serious development (set up plenty of servers though), but in using gnome in the past I have felt more productive in Windows with cygwin - the whole interface just feels more consistant. I might have to give it another try :)

    I'm looking at getting a powerbook. Aparently Weblogic and IDEA run great and having a unix shell for scripting, etc, is just plain cool. There is an O'Reilly book called OS X for Java Geeks which has examples using Tomcat and JBoss.
  26. Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    I dunno. Been using Linux for about 3-4 of years now and Unix for longer. But I use KDE over Gnome. Maybe that has something to do with my experience.

    Really I think that's not it though. I think the learning curve on Linux/Unix is steeper, but once you become knowledgeable, you can do more stuff more quickly.

    Jason McKerr
    Northwest Alliance for Computational Science and Engineering
  27. XP and Linux[ Go to top ]

    I am running Redhat linus 7.3 and windows XP both on my Compaq laptop with 256 MB P-III, Linus GUI looks much slow compares to windows XP Gui. I guess I need a better machine to run Linux.
  28. XP and Linux[ Go to top ]

    Sanjay Singh ... from Vancouver?
  29. RE: Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    You ask why I feel more productive under Linux? Well, personally I'm generally more comfortable under a Unix environment than a Windows environment. I can get around find in Windows as necessary.. update the registry, tweak things, and generally get work finished. I do run Cygwin on any Windows machines that I need to personally do work on, but I still feel that the integration with command line or shell access with the OS is a bit rough. Perhaps its not, but if so, then the normal Unix/Linux desktop is much smoother.

    From a personal perspective, I find the GUI's for doing everything generally irritating. I can update a config file and tweak something much more quickly than going through menus, finding the wizard, clicking through.. etc. That doesn't go for everybody though, obviously, so I'm glad that Linux has gotten much better admin tools for others.

    Oh, and as a side note.. if you aren't afraid of Linux, try out Gentoo. Its package management system is wonderful, and it has great features. Its similar to the FreeBSD ports system, for those who have used that, but with an advanced dependancy and upgrade functionality. Great for desktops or servers..
  30. Why I feel more productive in a linux environment?
    Well, I really have much more experience with Windows, but using linux I get a consistent feel from my used local environment to the environments I usually have to work with as test and production environments in the projects i work with.
    Using linux, interfacing with say AIX, it feels like I never left my own machine when I make a build or something like that!
    On the other hand, it also feels more productive as you have more control over what you do and you can customize most things to suit you, and at the same time (if youre not a unix/linux guru prior to it) you learn a lot without sweating blood over the complexity of it. It might not be for everyone, but it works for me.
    Another consideration is that a lot of development tools seem to be made with a unix/linux environment in mind, I hardly believe that Ant is consistent with Microsofts guidelines for a user experience. :)
    And Open Office seems to work just fine as an Office substitute (been using office xp), not as pretty a gui, but just as functional.

    But dont get me wrong, I am not getting political here. If you want to use windows then by all means do so.
    I am just happy that there is an alternative at long last, and I believe that both camps can do nothing else than benefit from the fact.
    And as previously stated: Linux is probably going to kill windows on enterprise servers. But I wouldnt be holding my breath for "desktop domination" anytime soon, even if Linux is now an alternative, Windows has become an industry standard "habit", and old habits die hard.
  31. Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    I've only read about it on the web (no experience), but Kivio seems to be a Linux alternative to Visio (http://www.thekompany.com/products/kivio).
  32. Yet another convert..[ Go to top ]

    Theres really only one thing I miss: Visio (anyone no of any alternatives for linux?


    With CrossOver Office you can use the original Visio 2000.
  33. Well I have converted to Redhat 9.0 desktop at home and work for the last 11 months.

    linux is easier to use than windows for us in work and home. Java development is much better and our weblogic servers runs on linux .One thing found out after moving to linux from windows is less down time and TCO is low I mean very low.
    We use Dell hardware and linux installs with no issue.

    Linux is better OS than windows in desktop and server. My home network is in Redhat9.0 my wife has no issue using Openoffice and Gimp for photo editing. Our scanners, smart card readers work great with Linux. We dont get any crashs compared to windows98 and win2k,

    I wish Dell sold low end desktops and notepad in Linux.


    The gui and themes of Linux is eye candy . The ease of use of linux is great.
  34. RedHat 9.0 here with Dell notepad[ Go to top ]

    I wish Dell sold low end desktops and notepad in Linux.


    I have a Dell Inpiron C400, having installed Redhat 9 on it I can say 99% of everything worked perfectly fine out of the box for me, some touchpad problems for about 15 minutes, but if you have an ordinary mouse until you have installed the correct module (synaptics in my case) you´ll be just fine.

    The irony is that my installation took about 30 minutes + some time to customize it just for me, so essentially less sweat than your ordinary windows installation..

    I think most Dell laptops work pretty well instantly with linux, their cd-rw/dvd drives work just fine for example. If you are going to go thru with it, there is some forums on yahoo for linux on dell laptops, very useful.

    Ok, this post was grossly of topic, but I hope I dont get shot for trying to help a fellow nurd! ;)
  35. One Step forward two steps back[ Go to top ]

    I 'sidegraded' from Win2K to XP about 6 months ago. Boy was I dissapointed. Yes it had nice looking menus, but it now takes me longer to find anything and do anything in XP than in Win2K . With Win2K I was more satisfied than I have been with any MS product. It was very stable and relativley quick to load apps. The XP menu system is a disaster, it is much less efficient to find things than in Win2K.

    I have seen a decrease in stability, one nice feature is that my Digital camera has much better support than in Win2K. But thats it. As I play games on my PC it pretty much dictates my OS. But I think I will move back to 2K as soon as I can be bothered.

    I have made a reccomendation to my firm that we switch to Openoffice/Staroffice where possible, but have had no reply yet. Why should we cut staff when we can cut the MS tax first?
  36. I also found XP to be a dissapointment. Stablity and Speed have disapeared.

    And a wee dog in the search screen!!!

    I will be moving back to Win2K.

    Longhorn is 2 years away min , So Linux has ages to sort out any issues it has.

    So when will big desktop vendors like Adobe, Macromedia start bringing out linux versions?

    What is the market share of linux on the desktop compared to Apple?
  37. RedHat 9.0 here with Dell notepad[ Go to top ]

    Good stuff! However if anyone would rather use PhotoShop than gimp(hey both are good), one option is to use Crossover. You can even load up some non-linux games. As for the different media players(quicktime etc), there is mplayer(or you can do it under crossover). I have used linux as a desktop the last 4 years and it is actually on par with windoze in usability nowdays(last year or so).
  38. It can not be denied anymore. Linux is entering the OS market big time! Especially on the server and as we can read here on development machines as well.

    I work for a very big world wide system integrator and I know that Microsoft is doing everything to stop this (sometimes taking actions that are going far beyond misuse of their monopoly). But I am also getting info from them that make much more sense to me.

    Microsoft will shift to Linux within the next 2 to 3 years. Some rumours are already suggesting they are porting IIS, BizzTalk and some other application server software to Linux. And of course .NET is already an example that is at least designed to run on other OS's.

    It's a strategy Microsoft knows everything about: If you can't beat them join them! And if you think about it, if Linux is gaining so much momentum and Microsoft can not win it on the server it will become a new market for Microsoft eventually. Keep an eye on where the money floats ;-).

    Bart.
  39. THe first time I tried Linux was with Redhat 6.0 back in '99 before that I had never used any operating system besides Dos and Windows 9x, Being a techie I managed to get it installed, and quite frankly (although I would never admit it since I detest Microsoft) as a Desktop OS it sucked, for several years after that I mostly just tinkered with it to get some 'nix skills, recently I installed Redhat 9.0 on my home machine and for the first time I find myself doing stuff more easily on Linux than some things on Windows, and many of the Things I do on Linux I now do on Windows.

    I would compare the difference between Red Hat 6 to Red Hat 9 to be about the same as the difference between Windows 3.0 and Windows 98, that took Microsoft about 7 years. It only Took Linux 4 years to make that leap, meaning that Linux is progressing very rapidly, meaning that it will take just a year or two and then Linux will start overtaking Microsoft on the Desktop.

    Before this happens several things should change
    - The Linux communitity should take the top ten things that are difficult for regular Desktop use on 'nix and make them easier than breathing.
    - Seamless interoperability between Gnome and KDE.
    - Better Java support, I don't think that we realise that IBM's SWT toolkit is a powerfull Ally, I think that Java's best Desktop bet is on Linux and SWT could help facilitate it wether Sun likes it or not.
  40. A lot of linux news has come out recently. The German city of Munich has decided to convert 14,000 windows servers to Linux, research shows that Linux is


    Floyd, there is a little mistake. ALL boxes are converted to Linux - severs and workstations including a free office software.
  41. The German city of Munich has decided to convert 14,000 windows servers to Linux,


    Isn't 14,000 servers a little bit too much?
    It is! Actually 14000 desktop systems in the city government offices are concerned.

    But that's even more exciting because of Linux's reputation to being unable to compete with Windows on the desktop, especially concering office applications.

    Great bait, IBM, SuSE!

    Bye
    Martin
  42. I have been using Linux daily since early 1995 for programming and as my desktop. I have been happy with it all this time.

    In many ways I can not understand this 'Linux is now ready for the prime time' talk. It was never 'broken'. Linux has been ready for the prime time for a long, long time compared to backend-looping windows 3.x, crashing Win 95/98, and even other Windows editions. If you compare acceptance of Win 3.x and Linux back then , then the ruling was that Windows was ready for the prime time. Like Gates said, it has never been about which is better. It's about money and marketing dollars. Linux had none of that back then.

    Linux has not been a popular choice due to lack of quality support and support of big players. That is now changing thanks to IBM and others. People say that Windows won the desktop but don't be so sure that the battle is over. Linux just needs a little push, polishing, some applications and marketing dollars to get it really moving. It is not unthinkable, nor impossible.
  43. Sure, Linux is growing, but at the expense of all other *nixes.

    It looks IBM is selling more Linux servers than AIX servers.

    SUN is also waking up slowly to the reality. Their Solaris is under threat from Linux rather than from Windows!

    Cheers,
    Elango
  44. Sure, Linux is growing, but at the expense of all other *nixes.

    >
    > It looks IBM is selling more Linux servers than AIX servers.
    >
    > SUN is also waking up slowly to the reality. Their Solaris is under threat from Linux rather than from Windows!
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Elango

    Growing at the expense of UNIX is the same as growing at the expense of server verisons of Windows.
    Since about 1993 MS has been saying that Windows NT(2K,2K3) Server will replace UNIX. Since Linux is what is replacing UNIX, the it is growing at the expense of Windows.
    Besides, there are several places where Linux has replaced Windows.
  45. Since Linux is what is replacing UNIX, the it is growing at the expense of

    > Windows.

    Do you think this would be acceptable to SUN, HP and the like ?

    Cheers,
    Elango
  46. Is there any major PC maker who sells pre installed linux. The last time I looked I could not purchase a laptop with linux preinstalled from IBM. Right now everyone seems to be pushing towards linux for the enterprise and they are yet to look at the home pc buyers.

    Does Microsoft ask the PC makers to sign exclusive deals for pre bundling the MS windows.
  47. Since Linux is what is replacing UNIX, the it is growing at the expense of

    > > Windows.
    >
    > Do you think this would be acceptable to SUN, HP and the like ?
    >
    > Cheers,
    > Elango
    I neither know nor care if this would be acceptable to SUN, HP and the like. But it is a fact that every Linux server is one less Windows server.
    Windows Server versions were intended from the very beginning to replace SUN/HP/IBM Unix. If things happened the way MS planned 10 years ago, neither UNIX nor Linux would exist now (of course that could have actually happened if Windows were a decent alternative to UNIX).
  48. Linux is great, but Can you install it for your wife ? Will she like it ? Is it easy to dummies ?
  49. Linux for your wife?[ Go to top ]

    Sure.. My wife prefers a Unix environment to a Windows environment, which she finds rather klunky and ill planned. Of course, her main Unix desktop is OS X, but she is still comfortable with a Linux sort of environment.

    I've never asked her to administrate things, though with the recent GUI managers in RedHat/Mandrake/SUSE/etc, it probably wouldn't be hard for her. And, its certainly much easier than asking her to fix a virus problem or a DLL issue..
  50. Install it for your wife[ Go to top ]

    Ok, I dont want this to sound like some macho discussion, I am sure there are plenty of female-nurds out there.. :)
    But.. I actually now of two completely computer-illiterate women using linux and openoffice, because nurd husbands and friends have installed it for them. And their experience? You are not likely to find them recompiling the kernel anytime soon, but from what I know, they couldnt care less if its linux or windows they are running.
    They have Mozilla and Ximian doing browsing and e-mail, they have OpenOffice for writing, the printer is working. Thank you very much, thats all they claim to need and it is all working fine!
  51. "Is it easy to dummies ? "

    This is what Munich needs to showcase: Can a mayor use Linux?
  52. Linux is ready for desktop[ Go to top ]

    I use Linux on my Dell Latitude. I use Mandrake 9.1. The freetype fonts actually look much better than true type win fonts. I use to lament this in my earlier days but now lets forget windows.

    All my office docs are opened using latest OpenOffice suite. I have never faced any problem and I send my Win brothers and sister their native office format docs.

    For mail, our MIS has enabled web access to Exchange Server and it works pretty neat (With blessings we should in future replace Exchange).

    For Internet, I have Opera 7.x, Netscape 7.1, Galeon (Really cool man), Konqueror, etc. Right now I wish I could show the beautiful rendering on my machine of text. It really is polished. Though I am a techie I can't impose my views on support staff. So, I zapp them.

    Multimedia - man I run DVD, VCDs, MP3 players, etc.

    I have all the usual utilities - Acrobat 5.0.6 and Ark (nice Winzip replacement).

    By the way I help the win folks on CLI (oops .NET) using mono. For developers, goes without saying I have a dream machine. Talk of any technologies/languages and I have it.

    Guess what, my machine does not crash. The MIS goes chasing for new anti-virus patches and my win siblings just live on it lest even sharing a folder will lead to Virus coming in.

    Further, I don't run as root !

    Finally, I heard whether a layman can install it. My young nephew installed Linux with a 5 line guidance over e-mail. Obviously, he wasn't installing Debian/Slackware but Mandrake 9.1.

    I am running a full fledged attractive (to others) desktop for last 9 months without any problem. So please try Linux (using a nice distro if you are non-techie types).
  53. Pay what is woth paying[ Go to top ]

    Hey,

    to any computer user out there, try OS X and then come back to say what is best.
    Windows is very expensive and is not top-notch.
    Linux is very cheap (hey if you are not a geek you'll buy a copy) but lacks the finesse of a thoroughly tested system.
    OS X is very expensive but has it all. It also comes with programs that do the basic stuff that are just the best around, like iTunes and Mail. You get Unix, java preloaded and optimized.

    In these scenarios Windows is the kid in the middle who will simply be slowly eaten away.

    Linux has now SCO trying to bust IBM for allegedly putting Unix IP into linux, Unix is not open source, it's very expensive stuff.

    We'll see how things play out, but when iTunes will be released for Windows at the end of the year, it will be the beginning of the OS X invasion of the Intel world.

    When people realize that it is not normal for their pc to ever hang or to have decayed performances over time, then Microsoft will change it course.
  54. Note that Munich is choosing "a" vendor. When they standardize on Linux, all their OS software will come from one company. These guys have to differentiate themselves to gain competitive advantage. How do they do that? With non-standard extensions. As Linux becomes more widely adopted, it slips further and further into a proprietary, money-grubbing paradigm.
  55. You should at least try and substantiate that claim a little bit. Every linux distro has its differences, and, yes, some distros have a little proprietary sugar on top. But I don't think there is any evidence at all to show that any linux vendor is making incompatible proprietary changes. Yes, Munich choose a vendor, the difference between Linux and Windows is that Munich can change vendors and not loose anything.

    If you have evidence otherwise, please share.
  56. Linux Has Become Proprietary[ Go to top ]

    Ohno! I see youve bought the FSF semi-communist propaganda.
    I love open-source, but I dont really see the reason or point in getting all political about software, its just bloody "1" and "0"..

    Where is the evil in making a buck or two? Making money isnt "evil", its what some people do to make it that is, and I doubt that this is a case of a vendor pushing drugs to infants... :)

    Of course Munich is going to choose a vendor, organizations get comfort from having someone to turn to when problems arise, did you expect them to just download the stuff and "fix it themselves" if something comes up? Or that they are stupid enough to try to get help from 5000 different open-source projects?

    Being able to know who to turn to is worth money, or at least knowing in what direction to point your finger if everything goes terribly wrong (God forbid).