IBM came out with the "Middleware is everywhere" campaign. Sun then came out with a campaign that attacks it directly: "Middleware is history". When I was in the bay area, I kept seeing both of these ads, and laughed. The JDJ asked Salil Deshpande, CEO of The Middleware Company, what he thought about Sun's crazy claim.
Salil spoke pretty bluntly:
"Jonathan Schwartz has said some silly things over the years, but this one might take the cake. Saying that middleware is history is like saying our nation's highways, railways, and waterways are history. They are boring when working well, maybe, but not history.
On the contrary, middleware is the future. It is constantly evolving, adapting, and innovating; and there are standards, because computing will never be a one stop shopping experience. Sun understands this, I think they just need to work on their message. If they don't refocus on what they do well, Sun will be history."
Read "Middleware Is Alive and Well, Thanks!" Says TMC's Deshpande
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"Middleware Is Alive and Well, Thanks!" says TMC (15 messages)
- Posted by: Dion Almaer
- Posted on: February 06 2004 13:56 EST
Threaded Messages (15)
- What happend to Ed? by Sandeep Dath on February 06 2004 16:16 EST
- What happend to Ed? by Tyler Jewell on February 06 2004 16:30 EST
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Tyler or Sarah Johnson? by Kumar Mettu on February 06 2004 05:55 EST
- Tyler or Sarah Johnson? by Kumar Mettu on February 06 2004 05:55 EST
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Tyler or Sarah Johnson? by null on February 06 2004 06:09 EST
- Tyler or Sarah Johnson? by Cameron Purdy on February 06 2004 07:49 EST
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Tyler or Sarah Johnson? by Kumar Mettu on February 06 2004 05:55 EST
- Middleware should be dead by Lyndon Samson on February 08 2004 20:41 EST
- Middleware should be dead by Rich Kucera on February 09 2004 10:54 EST
- What happend to Ed? by Tyler Jewell on February 06 2004 16:30 EST
- "Middleware Is Alive and Well, Thanks!" says TMC by Alex Ivanov on February 06 2004 17:39 EST
- I guess thats politics... by Amanjit Singh Gill on February 07 2004 07:10 EST
- EJB master left the J2EE ? by Prabu Swami on February 07 2004 18:00 EST
- EJB master left the J2EE ? J2EE = steady and boring by Lofi Dewanto on February 08 2004 08:17 EST
- EJB master left the J2EE ? by Bernard Bernardinus on February 08 2004 20:00 EST
- About MiddleWare by sez hian on February 09 2004 01:00 EST
- EJB master... by prabu swami on February 09 2004 03:25 EST
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What happend to Ed?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Sandeep Dath
- Posted on: February 06 2004 16:16 EST
- in response to Dion Almaer
This is a silly question, but I thought Salil was President and Ed was CEO? Is he still around? -
What happend to Ed?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Tyler Jewell
- Posted on: February 06 2004 16:30 EST
- in response to Sandeep Dath
Hi Sandeep-
Salil Deshpande is the CEO of The Middleware Company. We've undergone a makeover and Ed Roman has decided to return to school to focus his career on the video game industry.
We'll be doing some more formal public communications about TMC's new management team, business model and direction in early April.
Thanks,
Tyler Jewell
The Middleware Company -
Tyler or Sarah Johnson?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Kumar Mettu
- Posted on: February 06 2004 17:55 EST
- in response to Tyler Jewell
Tyler,
For you reason you name seems to be switching between on Sarah and Tyler on server side. I took a snap shot just in case:
http://javaswamy.blogspot.com/Tyler.JPG
Kumar. -
Tyler or Sarah Johnson?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Kumar Mettu
- Posted on: February 06 2004 17:55 EST
- in response to Kumar Mettu
Damn typos :-) -
Tyler or Sarah Johnson?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: null
- Posted on: February 06 2004 18:09 EST
- in response to Kumar Mettu
Hi Kumar-
Yes, Sarah Johnson is my QA account that I use to test to make sure that things are working on TSS.com and TSS.NET. It comes across better than "Test Account".
In this case, with TSS cookies, I was still logged in under my test account. So, after this was noticed, I asked Dion to move the post under my regular account: Tyler Jewell. I've found it challenging to manage multiple TSS accounts for QA.
Tyler -
Tyler or Sarah Johnson?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Cameron Purdy
- Posted on: February 06 2004 19:49 EST
- in response to null
I've found it challenging to manage multiple TSS accounts for QA.
You're not the only one!
- Frank Bean -
Middleware should be dead[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Lyndon Samson
- Posted on: February 08 2004 20:41 EST
- in response to Sandeep Dath
Middleware should be dead.
Whats middleware, it is;
(a) An interface into legacy systems
and (b) A mapping tool.
(a) should be SOAP and (b) should be XSLT.
Bye byte TIBCO, Webmethods, Vitria, SeeBeyond... -
Middleware should be dead[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Rich Kucera
- Posted on: February 09 2004 10:54 EST
- in response to Lyndon Samson
XSLT will be dead too, Flash has a SOAP connector :-) -
"Middleware Is Alive and Well, Thanks!" says TMC[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Alex Ivanov
- Posted on: February 06 2004 17:39 EST
- in response to Dion Almaer
I think what Sun says is: the Middleware itself is history, Java enterprise is the future. The core (or one of the cores) of Java enterprise is J2EE.
--- If I understand the article right. They are play word games. -
I guess thats politics...[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Amanjit Singh Gill
- Posted on: February 07 2004 07:10 EST
- in response to Dion Almaer
I think it is quite remarkable how these campaigns regarding middleware (pro/con) are driven by politics and the obvious market share. Need to hype the next best thing, anyone? I think in this case its comparing apples and oranges...
Read this article on CUJ by Vinoski, Doug Schmidt which discusses web services with/vs CORBA: http://www.cuj.com/documents/s=7990/cujcexp1910vinoski/ -
EJB master left the J2EE ?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Prabu Swami
- Posted on: February 07 2004 18:00 EST
- in response to Dion Almaer
"Ed Roman has decided to return to school to focus his career on the video game industry"
It is a surprise to me. EJB master left the J2EE industry and joing game industry :-( -
EJB master left the J2EE ? J2EE = steady and boring[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Lofi Dewanto
- Posted on: February 08 2004 08:17 EST
- in response to Prabu Swami
<quote>
It is a surprise to me. EJB master left the J2EE industry and joing game industry :-(
</quote>
Not at all ;-) I can understand him. After being in J2EE from the beginning, slowly but surely, I feel that J2EE is becoming steady. Everything works fine, the specification process continues to make it better, etc. but nothing special and "new" anymore. Just take a look at the discussion forum in TSS, you see many same questions. I think J2EE product life-cycle has just completed. Now we are back in the beginning of J2EE, better, but again, nothing special and new.
For persons, who love to invent something new, it's just the time to leave J2EE to search for a new frontier. I wish him good luck and thank you for your great work in the J2EE frontier!
Regards,
Lofi.
http://www.openuss.org -
EJB master left the J2EE ?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Bernard Bernardinus
- Posted on: February 08 2004 20:00 EST
- in response to Prabu Swami
"Ed Roman has decided to return to school to focus his career on the video game industry"
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> It is a surprise to me. EJB master left the J2EE industry and joing game industry :-(
Well, we still have j2ee master, don't we? On this forum I mean, hope he has not left (yet?), though he's been quiet lately ... :) -
About MiddleWare[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: sez hian
- Posted on: February 09 2004 01:00 EST
- in response to Dion Almaer
Hi
Its very sad to get to know that edroman has shifted his focus from j2ee.
He is the guy who made us to understand j2ee -EJB .We have come to a comfortable stage bcoz of guys like him.
It will be better to get edromans thoughts in an interview .He is well knowledged.
But till there is a lot to come.
Till yet the entire j2ee stuff is behind five releases i beleive.
We still dont have a proper persistence concepts, fully portable stuff,
Till i feel it as a complex system.Iam not feeling it much comfortabel though
i have worked on more than 5 j2ee projects involing franklin templeton,Costpoint.... New more security levels are expected,IDE integration has to more comfortable,More tags on ejb integration with jsp.
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ABT Middelware ..
The middleware products are too costlier and they are truely propretiary .These guys dont give a trial download and we have to go to them even for a training.
I used webmethods little bit of tibco ,mqseries..
Atleat IBM is giving a trial download,But webmethods i used, found very costly ..
and even a adapter there price tag is heavy
..Actually we have given a blow to the money machine Microsoft...Now its time
to make things to work agains costlier middleware and application servers.
Do any one know opensouce middleware performing well? -
EJB master...[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: prabu swami
- Posted on: February 09 2004 03:25 EST
- in response to sez hian
It will be better to get edromans thoughts in an interview .He is well knowledged.
I too love to see his thoughts.
Anyway, thanks Ed for your EJB/J2EE work.