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  1. Sun offers Java Studio Enterprise 8 for free to SDN members (30 messages)

    Sun has offered Sun Developer Network members free editions of Java Studio Creator and Java Studio Enterprise 8. JSE8 is their newest development environment for Java Enterprise Edition, and features UML and mobility functionality.

    Both Java Studio Creator and Java Studio Enterprise are built off of the Netbeans codebase. Java Studio Creator is a tool to help create web applications using JSF; Java Studio Enterprise contains tools aimed at the entire Java Enterprise Edition stack, and has plugins for such APIs as the Portlet API, data collection APIs, and more.
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  2. BFD[ Go to top ]

    There are other IDEs that are OpenSource or 'Free to Anyone' that support these features.

    Hell even Microsoft has a 'free to all' version of Visual Studio right now ;)
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  3. BFD[ Go to top ]

    I haven't seen any free IDE that supports JSF So well...

    Stéphane TRAUMAT
    scub.net
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  4. BFD[ Go to top ]

    I haven't seen any free IDE that supports JSF So well...Stéphane TRAUMATscub.net

    I have used JDeveloper for JSF and it seemed pretty good, but I have not tried Sun's IDE for JSF development, so I can't compare.
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  5. Studio Creator[ Go to top ]

    Is probably the closest thing to a Visual Basic for webapps you can get.
    It has very good stuff in it, but also lacks important aspects.
    The 1.0 version, was way to buggy, and it basically was tied to JDBC (which nowadays looks rather archaic) also it lacked components.

    The 2.0 version however looks very good, lots of components, the data access is tied to a DAO layer (which they call differently), the main problem still is with 2.0 (but have in mind that this stuff is alpha currently)
    is that its mem footprint even for java server side development used to be hilariously high, and the only DAO implementation seems to be currently JDBC based. Why they did not settle for Spring while most other tool vendors do (and probably also move towards JSR220 as next step) but provided their own dao layer, is beyound me.

    Also I am not sure if the new components are opensourced, but they basically have evereything in there which you need for complex UIs (the visual layout of some of them is rather questionable however, they are rather bulky sometimes)

    Studio Creator used to be a good proof of concept and is slowly in my opionion moving towards a good IDE, the problem is Sun is moving sometimes to slow and sometimes in a weird way :-(
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  6. Studio Creator[ Go to top ]

    The 1.0 version, was way to buggy, and it basically was tied to JDBC (which nowadays looks rather archaic) also it lacked components.

    Sorry, I saw this in passing and it made me do a double-take. Are you saying JDBC looks rather archaic?

    If so, I would like to know, which facts are your basing this claim on?

    Two of the most popular Java frameworks today, Spring and Hibernate, both use JDBC extensively.
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  7. Correction[ Go to top ]

    Guess, you have to think twice before posting on TSS,
    what I meant with archaic was that JSC only supported plain JDBC and no ORM, which really is archaic, given the code overhead plain JDBC causes, due to all the micro management you have to do.

    This problem has been relieved somewhat in the EA2 of JSC2 (which shows the foundation of a really good tool btw..)
    they moved the whole database access to a generic DAO pattern, but it still produces blank JDBC code, while other code for the DAOs would be possible JSC really lacks in this area.

    I did not mean JDBC was archaic, but having the tool entirely based on pure JDBC was.

    I hope a future JSC3 will support JSR220 once that one is in place the tool could become a killer app.

    JSC is one of those tools which probably need three incarnations to become really good.
    First one proof of concept but barely usable, due to bugs and limitations. Second one adressing of most problems but still some important areas missing or not done right, third one, perfect!
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  8. Compared to free IDEs[ Go to top ]

    I haven't seen any free IDE that supports JSF So well...Stéphane TRAUMATscub.net

    I'd agree with that. Also, I doubt your going to find a free IDE with many of the features included in Studio EE. It's UML support is very good and it also has a collaboration feature I've not seen anywhere else. Of course, whether you'll need those features is another matther.

    Mike
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  9. Re: Compared to free IDEs[ Go to top ]

    Well JDeveloper 10.1.3 is Free and has JSF, UML and much more.
    And you don't have to jump between two separate tools (one for JSF and one for the rest of your work).
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  10. So well?[ Go to top ]

    As a java developes and as well professional web designer I must admit than all those JSF editors and JSC in particular is useful only while creating ugly looking prototypes like NumberGuess application, nothing more..
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  11. BFD[ Go to top ]

    There are other IDEs that are OpenSource or 'Free to Anyone' that support these features.Hell even Microsoft has a 'free to all' version of Visual Studio right now ;)

    only "BARE" Express edition.
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  12. Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    I've tried for several hours but, keep getting an error from Sun's download site.
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  13. RE: Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    I've tried for several hours but, keep getting an error from Sun's download site.

    I downloaded the creator today, 30-day trail version. Then did a update. Do not know it's free forever or just 30 days.
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  14. RE: Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    You should've received an activation code in your account's email... I did. :P
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  15. Activation Serial Number[ Go to top ]

    I downloaded the creator and didn't receive the Serial Number in the mail. Anybody else having this problem? Should I just install as a 30 day trial????
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  16. JDeveloper vs. Creator[ Go to top ]

    It would be interesting to see an indepth comparison between JDeveloper and Creator which are both (for the moment anyhow) available freely.
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  17. Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    I was able to download it without any problems earlier in the day. I was hoping to find a halfway decent UML diagram tool in the product.

    Now I know why they weren't able to sell that part of the product. The sequence diagram tool is pretty much next to useless. I won't say completely useless because if you get it right on the first pass it looks fine. But if you have to make any changes to your sequence diagram then be prepared for disappointment.

    If there are any developers on the UML tools part of the product dev team reading these responses I'd be more than happy to provide you with a detailed wish list of items to make it a more usable tool.

    -Mike
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  18. Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    I was able to download it without any problems earlier in the day. I was hoping to find a halfway decent UML diagram tool in the product. Now I know why they weren't able to sell that part of the product. The sequence diagram tool is pretty much next to useless. I won't say completely useless because if you get it right on the first pass it looks fine. But if you have to make any changes to your sequence diagram then be prepared for disappointment. If there are any developers on the UML tools part of the product dev team reading these responses I'd be more than happy to provide you with a detailed wish list of items to make it a more usable tool.-Mike

    I would like to talk to you about the problems you are seeing. What would be the best way to contact you?
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  19. Any one been able to download?[ Go to top ]

    Hi Trey,

    Thanks for the response. The best way to reach me is at mike dot bosch at gmail dot com.

    -Mike
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  20. MyEclipse is excelent for all web developements[ Go to top ]

    Though not free, but not so far (the last time I bought the license was $29), and is exelent for web developement with java.
    I did not use it yet for JSF, but from looking at the site it seems they made exelent work there.

    D.Or
    BooksPrice.com
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  21. Free for how long?[ Go to top ]

    There are many ways to develop applications and one could spend years trying to decide which is the best way (IDE, framework, ...) to implement an application.

    For me, I normally take a bit of time researching features of current IDEs and then when I have made my choice, I like to stick with it. Changing IDEs in the middle of a project can cause more problems than necessary.

    So the question I have is, before I even consider switching to using the free products being offered by Sun, how long will these remain free? I don't want to be caught out next year when suddenly I now have to pay for the upgrades to the Studio Enterprise.
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  22. TCO[ Go to top ]

    Free? Not if you count the loss in productivity for using such a pile.

    I'd rather pay $500 for IDEA and have it pay for itself every single day.
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  23. Will anyone use it for serious development?[ Go to top ]

    Pros: Has got everything as one package – UML, Layout manager, version control, instant messaging(!), class generator … everything except something like winamp.

    Cons:- On a fairly new and respectable hardware it’s so slow - wonder if anyone could use it for any serious development.

    May be I'll use it when I get a 20 GHz desktop.
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  24. Will anyone use it for serious development?[ Go to top ]

    Sarcastic comments do not count in professional world.

    Be clear in what you want to say so that we understand you. tambi otherwise....
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  25. Sun offers Java Studio Enterprise 8 for free to SDN members[ Go to top ]

    Hi
    I tried to install Java Studio Enterprise 8 for Win32 and the installer stopped with the message "not enough free space on the boot partition". Very, very strange ... What's the installer business with the boot partition if I want to choose the partition where I want to store the package?
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  26. Sun offers Java Studio Enterprise 8 for free to SDN members[ Go to top ]

    I tried to install Java Studio Enterprise 8 for Win32 and the installer stopped with the message "not enough free space on the boot partition". Very, very strange ... What's the installer business with the boot partition if I want to choose the partition where I want to store the package?

    Cristian,
    the installer needs some space on the boot partition for temporary files. The installer file is cached on the system drive as well. This is ugly, I admit it. We are working intensively to minimize the amount of disk space needed on the boot drive for the next release. As for now, please try to free some space for the time of installation.
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  27. there is not enough space on boot drive[ Go to top ]

    I hava a dual boot system with a really small boot partition, just for bootloader, and a huge amount (6Gb)of space under c: with xp sp2, i'm getting the same error,
    Temp dir is under c:
    Any idea why?

    Regards

    Fabio
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  28. there is not enough space on boot drive[ Go to top ]

    I hava a dual boot system with a really small boot partition, just for bootloader

    I have the exact same problem here. My boot drive is less than 200 MB in size, and I'm not going to repartition any time soon. Does this mean that there is no hope of installing JSC?
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  29. Studio creator installation problem[ Go to top ]

    Hi,

    I had a similar problem and frustration. I finally able to install the IDE. Hope it would worth the effort. Instruction I follows is

    http://developers.sun.com/prodtech/javatools/jscreator/reference/faqs/installation/win2k_XP.html

    and the difference I made from previous attempt is removing productregistry file from %SYSTEM%\system32.

    Hope it helps. Good luck.
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  30. Sun offers Java Studio Enterprise 8 for free to SDN members[ Go to top ]

    I have about 0.97GB free on my boot drive and I still get an error about not enough disk space.
    How much space does a win32 install require exactly?
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  31. install does not complete Java Studio Creator.[ Go to top ]

    I enter the activiation code, and the install begins,
    but just hangs at 11% when it gets to
    SunAppServer8...
    There are no error message, nothing about
    not enough space. What could be wrong?
    Thanks,
    Rick
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