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  1. Qilan: Building JSP's without Code (8 messages)

    Qilan, a tool for OSX, empowers a designer to create JSP's without learning or needing a traditional Java or SQL syntax found in most development applications. Using icons coupled with a drag and drop interface, complex data driven designs can be quickly created and deployed. Webpages are easily tested and modified encouraging creativity and the fast application of business logic.

    Simply put, Qilan writes JSP. The designer does not need to know anything about JSP, deployment or databases (including SQL).

    Qilan is built for the business owner who wants to take advantage of the power and flexibility of JSP, but who does not have the resources to create an IS department. It has long been the vision of CommonGround Softworks, Inc., the publisher of Qilan, that a development application should encourage a designer to 'think out of the box,' not require them to become a programmer. Qilan uses objects to represent common database and logical functions. These objects can then be used to create business logic. A webpage is then assembled as an outline that 'flows' - meaning logic is processed left to right, top to bottom. This model makes the design process very easy to understand and control.

    Qilan seamlessly links to most SQL database via JDBC and even legacy databases such as FoxPro and Helix. Our 3.0.6 version will include Apache Derby.

    Qilan is costs $295 and includes Apache Tomcat (fully configured). A limited version (meaning: five JSPs, no CGI) can be downloaded from the download page, and upon purchase a key will be sent that releases the limits.

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  2. That's definitely a fool's dream. Silver bullet DOES exist! :)
  3. April fools or extreme case of sales-bs with not grounding in reality?

    Both are credible possibilities..
  4. While there is some disbelief that you can build JSP without code, Qilan is a unique product that is real and approachable for desginers who do not know how to program in Java.
  5. While there is some disbelief that you can build JSP without code, Qilan is a unique product that is real and approachable for desginers who do not know how to program in Java.

    Whether it exists or not, it's still a joke, as are all the crappy tools that promised 'no developers needed' but now require a team of developers to manage the idiosyncratic and unfortunate behavior of the tool's 'easy interface'. I've had the displeasure to work with several such tools long after the 'non-developers' no-coded themselves right into a brick-wall.
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    Whether it exists or not, it's still a joke, as are all the crappy tools that promised 'no developers needed' but now require a team of developers to manage the idiosyncratic and unfortunate behavior of the tool's 'easy interface'. I've had the displeasure to work with several such tools long after the 'non-developers' no-coded themselves right into a brick-wall.

    Thats true "no code required" usually means "lots of code and configuration required in our proprietary tools and languages".

    Just look at the plethora of integration tools in the market and all of their proprietary languages, configurations and tools.
    What was supposed to "lower costs" has suddenly upped the costs dramatically, because you need an expert in that particular tool, and they are usually a lot harder to come by than your average Java Developer (..and incidentally, often come in as expensive consultants from the tool-maker, hows that for a Trojan horse?)..
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    Thats true "no code required" usually means "lots of code and configuration required in our proprietary tools and languages".

    Yeah. All the reall hard problems of programming are still there. There are a lot of tools thats can create demo applications in a snap.
    Just look at the plethora of integration tools in the market and all of their proprietary languages, configurations and tools.
    What was supposed to "lower costs" has suddenly upped the costs dramatically, because you need an expert in that particular tool, and they are usually a lot harder to come by than your average Java Developer (..and incidentally, often come in as expensive consultants from the tool-maker, hows that for a Trojan horse?)..

    Along with what you've mentioned, you often get vendor lock-in, poor performance, immortal bugs, lackidasical support.

    I think the worst thing about these tools is that as soon as you want to do something slightly outside of what the tool maker perpared for, the amount of work and money required to produce the desired result goes way beyond what would have been required with a flexible framework and a real developer.
  8. Try it before you knock it?

    Qilan is not intended to be the main development tool for expert developers. It could however be very handy for prototyping and other tasks. Ive used it to generate formatted text files from a database for example. Yes, that can be done many other ways, but I didnt have to know any of the SQL specific to the particular DBMS. And the same qilan page could be used on any of the supported DBMS without modification.

    Pages can produce SQL queries with functions such as startsWith or endsWith and even if the DBMS doesnt natively support that function Qilan knows how to translate it using other functions the DBMS does support, such as length, substring, and equals in this case. If you would prefer to fiddle with all the differences in SQL syntax among platforms then Qilan isnt for you.

    You can also use and incorporate any JSP tag into a Qilan page. This makes it pretty easy to extend Qilan and doesnt tie that code directly to Qilan.

    Eric, CommonGround Softworks.
  9. April Fools[ Go to top ]

    Are we sure this isn't an April Fool's joke?