- The team is co-located, but people are not sitting within the length of a school bus to each other.
- The team is distributed, and there is an absence of microphones and webcams and one or two meetings a day.
- The team has not delivered anything to real users in the last three months.
- No user has seen real running software inside the last month.
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Alistair Cockburn Q&A: Are you really doing agile? (5 messages)
- Posted by: Michelle Davidson
- Posted on: May 22 2007 07:56 EDT
Alistair Cockburn, a signatory on The Manifesto for Agile Software Development, talks about the agile landscape, what has changed and where his methodology, Crystal, fits in. In particular, he talks about how the term agile has become overused and has begun to lose meaning. People say they're using agile techniques, but they're actually doing "hacking and slashing" -- what he calls "lost in the woods programming." In David Letterman style, he even lists the top 10 things of how you know you're not doing agile. Some of those include:Threaded Messages (5)
- Re: Alistair Cockburn Q&A: Are you really doing agile? by Time PassX on May 22 2007 18:47 EDT
- Re: Alistair Cockburn Q&A: Are you really doing agile? by Casual Visitor on May 23 2007 04:12 EDT
- Yes, Im doing Ajl by Tal Dega on May 23 2007 05:13 EDT
- Re: Yes, Im doing Ajl by John Harby on May 23 2007 12:21 EDT
- Agile, agile what? by Scott Duncan on May 23 2007 23:34 EDT
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Re: Alistair Cockburn Q&A: Are you really doing agile?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Time PassX
- Posted on: May 22 2007 18:47 EDT
- in response to Michelle Davidson
hehehe, cockburn -
Re: Alistair Cockburn Q&A: Are you really doing agile?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: May 23 2007 04:12 EDT
- in response to Time PassX
Once he wrote good articles, not only about Use Cases. -
Yes, Im doing Ajl[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Tal Dega
- Posted on: May 23 2007 05:13 EDT
- in response to Michelle Davidson
AJL programming language that is. As for the article, well it sounds like a free for all. and if I had a rule for a great team I would say leave it alone and let it get the work done which is what this article seems to be about. I didnt see anything specific about Agile in this article just ramblings. Flag it for removal from TSS if you care. Is there such a flag? -
Re: Yes, Im doing Ajl[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: John Harby
- Posted on: May 23 2007 12:21 EDT
- in response to Tal Dega
There's plenty about Agile, where he mentions "The Manifesto" this is referring to the Agile Manifesto. Better read it again. -
Agile, agile what?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Scott Duncan
- Posted on: May 23 2007 23:34 EDT
- in response to Michelle Davidson
I just worked at a place that believed they were doing agile. But it was really put in place by someone who was a complete cowboy. We weren't allowed to document _anything_ and that included JavaDoc and _all_ commenting. Yep, not even simple inline comments. They believed that agile meant there was no documentation so they leaped at it. Needless to say the app was 12 months old and in a complete shambles. Working on it was like running a marathon under water. I couldn't get them to understand the error of their ways though.