Iona has announced its new FUSE offerings, the realization of Iona's acquisition of LogicBlaze earlier in 2007. The FUSE ESB, Message Broker, and the FUSE Services Framework are open source and based on Apache products, but are backed by Iona's support. In addition, a new website (http://open.iona.com/) focused on open source has been published by Iona.

Are there any production deployments of ServiceMix which can serve as references (especialy for financial or telco industry)? How does it compare to Mule in terms of maturity, reliability and so on? (functional differences are clear to me) Many thanks in advance Adam http://www.enterpriseware.co.uk/author.html

functional differences are clear to me)

Since you brought it up, what are the functional differences as you see them?

Since you brought it up, what are the functional differences as you see them?

I think an earlier thread on TSS explains it very well: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=46044 Regards Adam http://www.enterpriseware.co.uk/author.html

Are there any production deployments of ServiceMix which can serve as references (especialy for financial or telco industry)?

How does it compare to Mule in terms of maturity, reliability and so on?

The WSO2 folks recently published a benchmark comparing their ESB offerings with Mule, ServiceMix and another unnamed product. Of course, like every other benchmark its skewed in favor of whoever is conducting it but the results are interesting nevertheless. See this blog post for further details: http://www.bloglines.com/blog/sanjiva?id=232

The WSO2 folks recently published a benchmark comparing their ESB offerings with Mule, ServiceMix and another unnamed product. Of course, like every other benchmark its skewed in favor of whoever is conducting it but the results are interesting nevertheless. See this blog post for further details:
http://www.bloglines.com/blog/sanjiva?id=232

I'd recommend using Apache CXF with Apache ServiceMix for great performance - or get the product versions here. Rob Davies
Iona - Open Source the Enterprise Way

Hello Rob: Many thanks for this informations. I hope you have the time to answer also to my simple questions. What are the real differences between Apache ServiceMix and FUSE ESB ? How is the future and the roadmap of Apache ServiceMix ? Best Regards Roland SOA Competence Network

Hello Rob:

Many thanks for this informations. I hope you have the time to answer also to my simple questions.

What are the real differences between Apache ServiceMix and FUSE ESB ?

How is the future and the roadmap of Apache ServiceMix ?

Best Regards

Roland
SOA Competence Network

Hi Roland, FUSE ESB, like our other products, is essentially the same as Apache Servicemix, but Iona will do bug fixes and product enhancements for a particular branch. The FUSE ESB differs in the amount of testing, documentation, examples that would be applied to a branch. Any bug fixes/enhancements we provide for the FUSE ESB will generally be contributed to the Apache ServiceMix project. From a support perspective, Iona needs stable releases of the code for which we can provide guaranteed response times and rapid patches to meet customers’ needs.

Going forward, I believe the Apache ServiceMix developers will be looking at providing different deployment models for Components, including OSGI and JBI 2.0 . There will also be more re-use of Apache Camel and Apache CXF.

Rob Davies
Iona - Open Source the Enterprise Way

... Any bug fixes/enhancements we provide for the FUSE ESB will generally be contributed to the Apache ServiceMix project. ...

Hi Rob, many thanks for this detailled and very interested informations. There are very good notices, that all bug fixes/enhancements for the FUSE ESB are recontributed to be Open Source. In Relation to this thread: After the Summer break, finally ;) we can start our new extended project which provides - among other nice things - a technical description of the terms SOA-Stack, ESB and Routing Mediator in detailled form and in the languages English, Spanish and German. Furthermore we will provide informations and a detailled resumen and comparison over the technologies and features of popular SOA-Stacks, ESBs and some associated Technologies, which is based on the accumulated input from independently, professional side and determined exclusively in projects from the real practice. For the moment we have planned to include the following Products/Technologies: SOA-Stack: ----------- - BEA AquaLogic - FUSE - IBM - JBoss - Oracle - SAP Netweaver - Sopera - Sun - TIBCO ESB: ----- - Apache ServiceMix (... FUSE ESB ...) - BEA AquaLogic ServiceBus - IONA Artix - JBoss ESB - MULE ESB - Oracle ESB - SAP XI - Sonic ESB - Sun OpenESB - TIBCO Soon I will provide some more detailled informations over the project and their initialization also here on TSS. Best regards Roland SOA Competence Network

Roland, Interesting lists however IONA's Artix is missing from the SOA stack, Artix is one of the few, if only, truly distributed SOA solutions. Many of the others are hub/spoke, centralised architectures. -John-

Roland,
Interesting lists however IONA's Artix is missing from the SOA stack, Artix is one of the few, if only, truly distributed SOA solutions. Many of the others are hub/spoke, centralised architectures.

-John-

Hello John, for the meantime this lists should not act as any classification and are definitely not in a fixed or closed state. Our first intension is to describe the terms of SOA-Stack and ESB and the necessary technologies and features for each of this terms. After this we can analyze and compare the provided technologies and features of each solution. Roland For the meantime we create a new single List, which is very flexible and can be extended. SOA-Stacks & ESBs: ----------- - Apache ServiceMix - IONA Artix - BEA AquaLogic - FUSE - IBM - JBoss - MULE - Oracle - SAP Netweaver - Sonic - Sopera - Sun - TIBCO

Hi Rob, Can you post a benchmark to compare performance please? It would be great to have some tests to validate which combination of products is faster in which scenarios rather than a blanket statement. Sanjiva.

Are there any production deployments of ServiceMix which can serve as references (especialy for financial or telco industry)?

How does it compare to Mule in terms of maturity, reliability and so on? (functional differences are clear to me)

Many thanks in advance
Adam
http://www.enterpriseware.co.uk/author.html

The ServiceMix Community is extremely active - see Nabble Forums and I'm sure will provide lots of examples of ServiceMix being used in production environments. Iona does have a good proportion of these as customers - but we respect our customers wishes - and only publish references when they explicitly agree to it
Rob Davies
Iona - Open Source the Enterprise Way

Back when LogicBlaze released this, the only docs they had (which you had to specially sign up for and in doing so unleash the sales hounds) were more or less marketing fluff bits. Does this new Iona rebranding come with actual usable, detailed documents, or are they still hoping that shoddy documentation combined with an impressive feature matrix will drive sales in their consulting department?

Does this new Iona rebranding come with actual usable, detailed documents, or are they still hoping that shoddy documentation combined with an impressive feature matrix will drive sales in their consulting department?

ROTFL! -- Andreas

Back when LogicBlaze released this, the only docs they had (which you had to specially sign up for and in doing so unleash the sales hounds) were more or less marketing fluff bits.

Does this new Iona rebranding come with actual usable, detailed documents, or are they still hoping that shoddy documentation combined with an impressive feature matrix will drive sales in their consulting department?

Nice!! ;) So if you look at the Site you'll notice that Iona FUSE is a combination of the components from Iona Celtix and LogicBlaze FUSE - its no longer a big monolithic stack, but individual components - which you use in your SOA where they fit best, for services enablement, mediation etc. The docs you can either get from the Apache projects - or here. No registration required - they are free, like the source - and yes Iona will be extending and enhancing them as we continue to productize our open source products. Rob Davies
Iona - Open Source the Enterprise Way

One of the advantages (for FUSE) of being merged into IONA is the access to the IONA Tech writers. This initial version of IONA FUSE doesn't really take advantage of that. However, if you look at the documentation for the FUSE Services Framework (http://open.iona.com/documentation/), you can see some of the potential. That documentation for the Services Framework was mostly migrated from the older Celtix docs which is why it's more complete than the other offerings. Over time, we're definitely going to be improving the docs for the other areas as well. Dan Kulp http://open.iona.com

Its sad that Iona has to create their own brand. I see this as an Apache model failure Bill

Providing no documentation has become a trend in OSS lately and it will eventually have an impact. I don't expect every one to work for free, but I expect packages that target enterprises to either have good documentation, or set expectation levels correctly as in "you will need a java hacker to run this package" :-) http://www.jdbcpersistence.org