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Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available (22 messages)
- Posted by: Ian Skerrett
- Posted on: June 25 2009 07:21 EDT
The Galileo release, the annual Eclipse release, is now available for download. This year the release train includes 33 project and over 24 million LOC. You can download now at eclipse.org/galileo. Some of the new features in Galileo include: - Support for Mac Cocoa 32 and 64 bit. - PHP Development Tools (PDT) support for the new PHP 5.3 language specification. - Release of the Memory Analyzer tool for helping to reduce memory consumption of Java applications. - Updates to Equinox to support the draft OSGi 4.2 specification. - Release of Xtext, a new project for creating Domain Specific Languages (DSL). Plus much much more. More details are available at eclipse.org/galileoThreaded Messages (22)
- Still missing some key features by Roy van Rijn on June 25 2009 11:34 EDT
- Re: Still missing some key features by Patrick Angeles on June 25 2009 11:49 EDT
- Re: Still missing some key features by Mark N on June 25 2009 19:15 EDT
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Re: Still missing some key features by michele michele on June 26 2009 05:10 EDT
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Try IDEA by G??rard COLLIN on June 26 2009 08:19 EDT
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Re: Try IDEA by Mark N on June 26 2009 08:27 EDT
- Re: Try IDEA by augustientje bloem on June 27 2009 05:11 EDT
- Re: Try IDEA by Mark N on June 26 2009 08:27 EDT
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Re: Try IDEA by Mark N on June 26 2009 08:27 EDT
- Re: Still missing some key features by Mark N on June 26 2009 08:21 EDT
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Try IDEA by G??rard COLLIN on June 26 2009 08:19 EDT
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Re: Still missing some key features by michele michele on June 26 2009 05:10 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by Jens Eckels on June 25 2009 12:27 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by Casual Visitor on June 25 2009 16:58 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by adgsa awewr on June 25 2009 14:23 EDT
- Eclipse 3.5 - New and Noteworthy by Norbert S??ndor on June 25 2009 14:47 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by Mark Johnson on June 25 2009 15:08 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by Casual Visitor on June 25 2009 05:00 EDT
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Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by augustientje bloem on June 26 2009 07:29 EDT
- Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available by Thai Dang Vu on June 29 2009 09:13 EDT
- This release doesnt improve my view of Eclipse by s oudmaijer on June 25 2009 15:26 EDT
- Getting better and better.... asymptotically by Ara Kassabian on June 25 2009 16:10 EDT
- Re: Getting better and better.... asymptotically by alberto gori on June 26 2009 03:07 EDT
- Getting better and better.... asymptotically by Ara Kassabian on June 25 2009 16:10 EDT
- Thank you by Mario H on June 25 2009 17:36 EDT
- 100000 Galileo package downloads in 24 hours by Casual Visitor on June 25 2009 18:15 EDT
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Still missing some key features[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Roy van Rijn
- Posted on: June 25 2009 11:34 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett
SVN, Maven... Sure there are plugins, but non really do the job well. -
Re: Still missing some key features[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Patrick Angeles
- Posted on: June 25 2009 11:49 EDT
- in response to Roy van Rijn
The Subclipse (svn) and Eclipse IAM (mvn) plugins are decent. However, I'd like to see true hierarchical project support. -
Re: Still missing some key features[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mark N
- Posted on: June 25 2009 19:15 EDT
- in response to Roy van Rijn
Try TFS and VS.Net for a bit. Your outlook will change. -
Re: Still missing some key features[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: michele michele
- Posted on: June 26 2009 05:10 EDT
- in response to Mark N
Try TFS and VS.Net for a bit. Your outlook will change.
I've worked on Ms Visual Studio and .Net, and now I work prevalently in java. Of course I'm a fan of Eclipse, but TFS and VS.Net are much better and complete. -
Try IDEA[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: G??rard COLLIN
- Posted on: June 26 2009 08:19 EDT
- in response to michele michele
You should try Intellij Idea then, it's much more closer to VS.NET than Eclipse. Or maybe Netbeans would fit better. But Eclipse (with pros and cons), is quite a different beast. -
Re: Try IDEA[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mark N
- Posted on: June 26 2009 08:27 EDT
- in response to G??rard COLLIN
You should try Intellij Idea then, it's much more closer to VS.NET than Eclipse.
I had heard IntelliJ was better than Eclipse. -
Re: Try IDEA[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: augustientje bloem
- Posted on: June 27 2009 17:11 EDT
- in response to Mark N
Clearly not everyone agrees with that. I just read this on Dzone's FP: http://jdevelopment.nl/java/intellij-ide-wanted-love/You should try Intellij Idea then, it's much more closer to VS.NET than Eclipse.
I had heard IntelliJ was better than Eclipse. -
Re: Try IDEA[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mark N
- Posted on: June 26 2009 08:27 EDT
- in response to G??rard COLLIN
You should try Intellij Idea then, it's much more closer to VS.NET than Eclipse.
I had heard IntelliJ was better than Eclipse. So that would make Eclipse closer to VS.Net. -
Re: Still missing some key features[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mark N
- Posted on: June 26 2009 08:21 EDT
- in response to michele michele
LOL. I've used both for years. Done VB since '94.Try TFS and VS.Net for a bit. Your outlook will change.
I've worked on Ms Visual Studio and .Net, and now I work prevalently in java.
Of course I'm a fan of Eclipse, but TFS and VS.Net are much better and complete.but TFS and VS.Net are much better and complete.
There are things better about them. But not better and more complete as a whole. Definitely not. Of course, I am not saying Eclipse is perfect. Honestly, it is tough to compare apples with apples here. So YMMV. Most recent issue - I cannot see the contents of some files in TFS from my machine- I can when i log into someone else's pc. I have done everything (reinstall vs.net & TF explorer, google, discussion boards, "bless out" things) but reinstall Windows. To no avail. -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Jens Eckels
- Posted on: June 25 2009 12:27 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett
Congrats to Eclipse on yet another release train delivery!
The amount of work that goes into these releases and then the adoption by the world is not insignificant.
To those who are always looking for advanced tooling or support, I offer the reminder that Eclipse, while functional in many ways, is not intended to be an end-product or complete solution. These release trains are intended to provide extensible baselines for modification by individuals, companies or commercial offerings (such as MyEclipse, Instantiations products, Oracle tooling, IBM tools, etc.). That's why members of the Eclipse ecosystem get excited about these major releases. It provides a code base for everyone to satisfy their unique needs or as valuable blocks in their value-added offerings. The strengthening of the ecosystem is the goal of Eclipse, and why the Foundation exists.
Congratulations again to the Foundation, committers, commercial companies and hobbyists who all made the release possible. Great job!
Jens
Genuitec
p.s. You can download Eclipse Galileo and other project here, if the Eclipse.org site is swamped. -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 25 2009 16:58 EDT
- in response to Jens Eckels
Comment Spam. -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: adgsa awewr
- Posted on: June 25 2009 14:23 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett
Eclipse guys should learn marketing from NetBeans... After every NetBeans release, you go to "What's new" page and see all the interesting additions in the release, grouped by modules. I've tried to find similar thing for Eclipse 3.5. After googling a lot, I haven't found anything interesting. Looks like there are many new features, but they are rather at Eclipse core platform, so they may be interesting for Eclipse-based products developers. For typical Java developer there seems to be nothing interesting in Galileo... What's more, the basic things I was was looking for, like marking java sources as "test classes" (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=224708) is still not implemented. Looks like there is completely no reason to switch to Galileo :( -
Eclipse 3.5 - New and Noteworthy[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Norbert S??ndor
- Posted on: June 25 2009 14:47 EDT
- in response to adgsa awewr
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Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mark Johnson
- Posted on: June 25 2009 15:08 EDT
- in response to adgsa awewr
We too very much congratulate the Eclipse community on another very successful release train. Jens, we wholeheartedly agree with your comments and would like to point out that when commercial vendors like Instantiations and MyEclipse, and others that add to the success and depth of the Eclipse ecosystem, stay current with the annual release train, the many thousands of organizations that have come to rely on Eclipse can trust that each June this will happen. Instantiations is pleased to announce that our products have all been updated with Eclipse 3.5 and Galileo support. Learn more here. (Link to http://www.instantiations.com/press/release/090624.html) Mark Johnson Instantiations -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 25 2009 17:00 EDT
- in response to Mark Johnson
Comment Spam. -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: augustientje bloem
- Posted on: June 26 2009 19:29 EDT
- in response to Mark Johnson
Jens, we wholeheartedly agree with your comments and would like to point out that when commercial vendors like Instantiations and MyEclipse, and others that add to the success and depth of the Eclipse ecosystem, stay current with the annual release train, the many thousands of organizations that have come to rely on Eclipse can trust that each June this will happen.
I agree with that. What I don't understand why MyEclipse has adopted this pattern of releasing a major MyEclipse version based on the old Eclipse release just days before the release of a new Eclipse release. They did this last year and they did this again this year. MyEclipse 7.5 based on Eclipse 3.4 was released just days before this 3.5 (Galileo) release. It wasn't always like that though, in the old days they would track even the milestones very closely and although I admit that was rather overkill, a 180 turn to not support a new Eclipse release for at least some 6 months, maybe more is the other end of the extreme. Why not just skip the milestone support, but join the release train for the GA version? -
Re: Eclipse Galileo Release Is Now Available[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Thai Dang Vu
- Posted on: June 29 2009 09:13 EDT
- in response to augustientje bloem
Yeah, very disappointed with MyEclipse.Jens, we wholeheartedly agree with your comments and would like to point out that when commercial vendors like Instantiations and MyEclipse, and others that add to the success and depth of the Eclipse ecosystem, stay current with the annual release train, the many thousands of organizations that have come to rely on Eclipse can trust that each June this will happen.
I agree with that. What I don't understand why MyEclipse has adopted this pattern of releasing a major MyEclipse version based on the old Eclipse release just days before the release of a new Eclipse release.
They did this last year and they did this again this year. MyEclipse 7.5 based on Eclipse 3.4 was released just days before this 3.5 (Galileo) release. It wasn't always like that though, in the old days they would track even the milestones very closely and although I admit that was rather overkill, a 180 turn to not support a new Eclipse release for at least some 6 months, maybe more is the other end of the extreme.
Why not just skip the milestone support, but join the release train for the GA version? -
This release doesnt improve my view of Eclipse[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: s oudmaijer
- Posted on: June 25 2009 15:26 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett
First of all I had to download 190mb of plugins to create a usable version of Eclipse (including svn+maven+spring+jbosstools+etc+whatever). When I finished I had to reconfigure all my projects. After that I came to the conclusion that the new WTP server deployments sucks like an inverted hurricane! My goodness, deploy doesn`t do sh*t when (for Eclipse) nothing has changed in my files. But why (since galileo) should that be a limitation for redeployment? After wasting a whole day the only conclusion is to congratulate Eclipse with another version of Eclipse that brakes more functionality than it fixes. -
Getting better and better.... asymptotically[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Ara Kassabian
- Posted on: June 25 2009 16:10 EDT
- in response to s oudmaijer
Eclipse gets better with every release, but never seems to quite get there. The interface still harks back to Visual Age, which was quirky but very productive once you got over the quirkiness. Eclipse somehow managed to retain the quirkiness while losing the productivity, like the visual designer (recently added back in; sort of). Configuring a web project is murder unless you stick your files exactly where Eclipse expects them to be; break the conventions and you are back to vi. And it is so darn hard to learn! I use JDeveloper for my day-to-day work. Previously, I used IntelliJ, NetBeans, Visual Age, Kawa, Visual Cafe (tells you how long I've been around :-) I never had to use a manual to learn those! And can we PLEASE have a way of rating plug-ins? There are 30 different plug-ins for JavaScript editing, plus a JavaScript perspective. Do you know how long it took me to figure this out???? -
Re: Getting better and better.... asymptotically[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: alberto gori
- Posted on: June 26 2009 03:07 EDT
- in response to Ara Kassabian
Eclipse somehow managed to retain the quirkiness while losing the productivity, like the visual designer (recently added back in; sort of).
Eclipse has a fast and productive editor, very nice plugins, nice tools. Seems that you can't use Eclipse for some reason.Configuring a web project is murder unless you stick your files exactly where Eclipse expects them to be; break the conventions and you are back to vi.
What are you speaking about? You can put sources where you want, compile classes where you want, add jars from where you want without any problem. I have very complex projects configured for Eclipse, and I never had to change structure. The proof of this is the eclipse maven plugin. Mavenized projects has their convention, but once you run mvn eclipse:eclipse you get a perfectly configured project for Eclipse. No mismatch. This is the best proof of Eclipse flexibility.And it is so darn hard to learn! I use JDeveloper for my day-to-day work. Previously, I used IntelliJ, NetBeans, Visual Age, Kawa, Visual Cafe (tells you how long I've been around :-)
Sorry, I didn't see it was spam. -
Thank you[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Mario H
- Posted on: June 25 2009 17:36 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett
Thank you very much, Eclipse! Also thank you MyEclipse, Instantiations, etc. Please, keep working, guys, keep walking.... And all of you who use Eclipse in any form, report bugs, let them know your suggestions... -
100000 Galileo package downloads in 24 hours[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 25 2009 18:15 EDT
- in response to Ian Skerrett