A new tool from Microsoft aimed at attracting Java developers to its .Net Web services plan, Visual J#.Net, will (according to Gartner analyst Mark Driver) confuse the adoption of C#, Microsoft's answer to Java. Moreover, it will ultimately be ignored by most Java platform developers.
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored (15 messages)
- Posted by: Floyd Marinescu
- Posted on: October 11 2001 14:17 EDT
Threaded Messages (15)
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Peter Daily on October 11 2001 20:31 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Huajun Chen on October 12 2001 03:00 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Kameswar Kumar on October 12 2001 04:57 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by florin g on October 12 2001 01:03 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by m m on October 12 2001 01:36 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Toby Reyelts on October 12 2001 03:02 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Francisco Javier Garcia on October 12 2001 06:55 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Francisco Javier Garcia on October 12 2001 06:58 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by nca Hammer on October 13 2001 10:22 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Stephen Bennett on October 15 2001 08:33 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Damian Roskill on October 15 2001 03:36 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Lloyd Fischer on October 15 2001 05:06 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Damian Roskill on October 15 2001 03:36 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Stephen Bennett on October 15 2001 08:33 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by nca Hammer on October 13 2001 10:22 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by m m on October 12 2001 01:36 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by florin g on October 12 2001 01:03 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Hari Yellina on October 15 2001 23:03 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Veri Nata on October 27 2001 08:23 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Alfredo Riggeri. on June 13 2002 07:38 EDT
- Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored by Veri Nata on October 27 2001 08:23 EDT
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Peter Daily
- Posted on: October 11 2001 20:31 EDT
- in response to Floyd Marinescu
Can't wait for Linux.Net ;-)
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Huajun Chen
- Posted on: October 12 2001 03:00 EDT
- in response to Peter Daily
sure -
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- Posted by: Kameswar Kumar
- Posted on: October 12 2001 04:57 EDT
- in response to Peter Daily
Along with Linux.NET we can expect Motherboard.NET, Processor.NET, Monitor.NET and also MOUSE.NET... ;-)) -
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- Posted by: florin g
- Posted on: October 12 2001 13:03 EDT
- in response to Kameswar Kumar
You did not mention SUCKERS.NET. -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: m m
- Posted on: October 12 2001 13:36 EDT
- in response to florin g
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- Posted by: Toby Reyelts
- Posted on: October 12 2001 15:02 EDT
- in response to m m
m m wrote:
Its faster than Java
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Lol. At what? Sucking the money out of your wallet?
A half-assed implementation, of an ancient version of java, and all this guys got is an unsubstantiated claim about how it's faster?
Sheesh! Where do these people come from?
God bless,
-Toby Reyelts -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Francisco Javier Garcia
- Posted on: October 12 2001 18:55 EDT
- in response to m m
Para que maƱana abandone a todos sus usuarios "por un simple cambio de estrategia", asi como lo hizo con su J++. -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Francisco Javier Garcia
- Posted on: October 12 2001 18:58 EDT
- in response to m m
"System Requirements
To use Microsoft Visual J# .NET Beta 1, you need:
Microsoft Visual Studio .NET Beta 2 (build 7.0.9254.0) English (US) version. Please see http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/nextgen/sysreq.asp for system requirements for Visual Studio .NET Beta 2.
Windows 2000 Server or Professional, or Windows XP Professional RC Release.
Batman and Superman too. -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: nca Hammer
- Posted on: October 13 2001 10:22 EDT
- in response to Francisco Javier Garcia
Batman and Superman too.
I dont need Superman any longer. But he help me alot for debugging and developing using cmd-line tools. His speed was enough for me to turn these tools to RAD.
Also great help was also finding solutions in SUN's docs using his XRays.
But i do need Batman for killing "The Penguin" as in the "BATMAN RETURNS" movie
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Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Stephen Bennett
- Posted on: October 15 2001 08:33 EDT
- in response to nca Hammer
I sure SeaSharp will find it's fish....
As for me, I crawled out of that pond many versions, err, I mean moons, ago................
Steve
(p.s. I would of thought 'SeeSaw' would be a more fitting name for Microsoft pro-ducks)
(p.s.s. The .dot in .NET is important, it allows you to calculate what version you now should be on!)
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- Posted by: Damian Roskill
- Posted on: October 15 2001 15:36 EDT
- in response to Stephen Bennett
Yeah, this is dead-on....Gartner has it right. .NET will push users to C# - that's the best language to use. Any old version of Java will be just that....
Definitely not J2EE, and definitely not a tool to port.... -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Lloyd Fischer
- Posted on: October 15 2001 17:06 EDT
- in response to Damian Roskill
Does anyone remember the POSIX subsystem in NT anymore? Does anyone remember why it was put there?
To help out our younger readers, in the old days several governments specified that only operating systems compatible with POSIX (1) could be procured by their departments and agencies. To cut a long story short, many people in those same departments and agencies wanted to use NT, for their own good reasons. Microsoft gave them a fig leaf to use to their procurement people. No one to my knowledge ever actually used the system, but they could say, sort of truthfully, that NT was compliant. The POSIX policy was eventually rescinded, because it was stupid.
Jump to the present. In the past few months two of my clients have adopted policies at the corporate level that Java shall be the one true language (and being Corporate, they couldn't tell a language from a platform if ...). And now Microsoft has given a fig leaf to people at the departmental level, just in case they wanted to, maybe, wink , wink , use .NET. Microsoft doesn't care if people actually use J# (or c# for that matter). They just want to sell product. -
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- Posted by: Hari Yellina
- Posted on: October 15 2001 23:03 EDT
- in response to Floyd Marinescu
Hi Guys,
I am a developer of Microsoft and then Migrated to Java. I found java is the best thing to happen in Software industry. Microsoft is confusing the developers , with its latest products. Can do the same thing which has been done by the older products. If the developer is confused, you can imagine how much does a business man get confused. Anyway, J# is one more paly tool given by microsoft for few months to play around. I am waiting for J#+ and j#++ and so on.
Please Microsoft do your job, Not javas job.
Regards, -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Veri Nata
- Posted on: October 27 2001 08:23 EDT
- in response to Hari Yellina
Forget .NET, use Java or C/C++.
Leave Windows, use Unix or Linux.
Be a real programmer, not the novices or casual ones. -
Gartner: Microsoft's J#.Net will be ignored[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Alfredo Riggeri.
- Posted on: June 13 2002 19:38 EDT
- in response to Veri Nata
"Forget .NET, use Java or C/C++." I'm agree, J#.Net will be ignored, But C++.Net is the only language that can be used with managed code (C#) and unmanaged code (assembly, C, C++) without an interoperative fault. Have you try an ATL Web Server an check the performance gain?
"Be a real programmer, not the novices or casual ones." ->
Have you review the CLI Source Code from microsoft (OpenBSD, Linux...)?