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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Nitin Bharti on February 12, 2002 DIGG
Hard Core Tech Talks presents an interview with Craig McClanahan, primary developer of the Struts Framework.In this interview, Craig talks about presentation layer programming with JSP's, and decoupling of the presentation layer from the business logic layer. He also describes JSR127, a GUI component model for web pages, and how it can be integrated with the STRUTS framework.


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·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Nitin Bharti on Tue Feb 12 15:05:28 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Jonathan Anderson on Wed Feb 13 14:18:05 EST 2002
    ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Matthew Puccini on Sat Feb 16 09:59:58 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by rich client on Wed Feb 13 16:35:13 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Kumar Mettu on Wed Feb 13 16:59:16 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Jorge Suarez on Wed Feb 13 18:49:30 EST 2002
    ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Dennis MacNeil on Wed Feb 13 19:50:21 EST 2002
      ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Jorge Suarez on Thu Feb 14 09:31:03 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Stephane KAY on Wed Feb 13 19:04:33 EST 2002
    ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Laurent Rieu on Thu Feb 14 05:07:26 EST 2002
    ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Jonathan Asbell on Sun Feb 17 22:36:51 EST 2002
      ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Stephane KAY on Mon Feb 18 17:50:58 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Christopher Cobb on Wed Feb 13 19:14:15 EST 2002
    ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Gary Keim on Wed Feb 13 20:04:19 EST 2002
      ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Sam. A on Thu Feb 14 00:45:04 EST 2002
        ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Hans-Joachim Matheus on Thu Feb 14 02:10:35 EST 2002
    ·  WMV on Linux by Chris Mountford on Sat Feb 16 10:13:54 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Oliver Lauer on Thu Feb 14 02:59:39 EST 2002
  ·  tapestry for web component developement by ming fang on Thu Feb 14 10:25:47 EST 2002
  ·  Fantastic Interview! Any way to get a transcript? by Buck Melton on Mon Apr 01 20:51:02 EST 2002
  ·  Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS by Malcolm Chaires on Sat Apr 27 00:50:32 EDT 2002
  ·  Thanks to Craig McClanahan and Apache Jakarta and Sun by Rajmahendra Hegde on Tue Feb 03 02:39:44 EST 2004
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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Jonathan Anderson on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
Long live Craig McClanahan, and thank God for the concept of FormBeans.

Keep on abstracting!

   -Jon

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: rich client on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
long live MVC !!! we took a huge step backward when we embraced html as the default web presentation. but that's progress i guess. as for struts: very nice but can still be improved which is why we have the source code.

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Kumar Mettu on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
Check out this mail from Craig in Tomcat List. This is a must read for developers who want to get involved in open source projects:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/contributing.html

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Jorge Suarez on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
Long Live to Craig! Long Live to MVC! Long live to Struts! It's really a milestones for web-app development with J2EE.

Till today I was totally unaware about JSR-127, this really caught my attention. I did a little web-crawl and I found out thereīs already some tool implemented to develop stuff with JavaServer Faces: HyperQbs (http://www.hyperqbs.com ), and it seems to be free. But it also gave me the impression that it works with their own MVC framework, and I donīt to switch from Struts. No way!

Can I combine their JSR-127 implementation with Struts?
Is there any other attemp of implemententation for this technology that works with Struts?

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Stephane KAY on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
The problem I encounter with STRUTS is that there is no method defined retrieving URLs defined in struts-config.xml in order to use their logical names into JSPs.

QUESTION : Is there something planed about Workflow in the future ?

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Christopher Cobb on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40507
Too bad you can't watch this under Linux :(

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Dennis MacNeil on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40613
HyperQBs is misleading you when they suggest that they comply with the design goals of JavaServer Faces. They're not even on the expert group and the spec is not even in commminity review. Thus they DO NOT have a compliant implementation. Here is what they claim:

"The HyperQbs mission is to provide developers with an open and useful platform to ease the development of presentation layer. In doing so, HyperQbs commits to stay fully compliant with the J2EE and XML standards.

We, at the HyperQbs team, see the coming specification for JavaServer[tm] Faces (JSR-127) as an important deed. Although, as of this writing, the JSR-127 is not yet publicly released, we can say that we fully comply with all of its design-goals. As soon as the final JavaServer[tm] Faces API specification becomes publicly available, we incorporate it into the HyperQbs framework and make it here available for your download."

Make sure you read the fine print.

D

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Gary Keim on February 13, 2002 in response to Message #40616
Too bad you can't watch this on Mac OS X. ;^(

I don't care about excuses. This is a fine example of how the web does NOT work.



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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Sam. A on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40620
As a temporary solution could the interviews be made available in text format?

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Hans-Joachim Matheus on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40631
Sitting behind a big firewall I just can state:

+1



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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Oliver Lauer on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40507
It's neither STRUTS nor TOMCAT although both are brilliant...it's the daily help Craig offers day for day within the different newsgroups why he should live forever :-)
I'm watching the STRUTS and the TC mailing lists nearly every day (since three years now) and Craig has answered a lot of questions and has given many valuable tips !
I haven't understood till today how he manages all these tasks. It seems to me some brownies help coding when he's sleeping :-)
 
We are using STRUTS/TC since two years now (or even longer) and want to say: Thanks Craig and we forgive you that your son is (still) developing with PHP...:-)
 
AXA Insurance
Europe
Oliver.Lauer@axa.de

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Laurent Rieu on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40615
As some of you seem to wonder if there is any Workflow extension in progress, there is one Workflow Proposal on the Struts web site :

Struts Workflow Proposal

It should deal with several basic workflow concepts such as Process, Activity, Step, Activity Context...

There is also one sample application on the Ted Husted's web site demonstrating some basic wizard-like use cases using the Apache Workflow module (can be found in the Apache Jakarta Commons folder, but still in the sandbox) :

Wizard-like ergonomy using Struts

Laurent

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Jorge Suarez on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40617
Thanks... So I guess we'll have to wait a little more for this stuff.

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tapestry for web component developement

Posted by: ming fang on February 14, 2002 in response to Message #40507
check out tapestry, it's features include..
-mvc design
-event driven programming like swing
-lets you create complete self contained component; package all its resouces including images, css and javascripts in one nice jar. now you can reuse and distribute a web component as easily as a swing javabean.
-special handling of javascripts to prevent name conflict if a script is included multiple times
-lets you declare enforceable parameters for you component. you can declare required and optional parameters.
-automatically handles all form element submission.
-validation
-built-in debugging facility lets you browse the state of all you components.
-lets you provide different templates for each locale and it'll use the right one automatically
-open source too

check it out http://tapestry.sourceforge.net

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Matthew Puccini on February 16, 2002 in response to Message #40592
We just announced a new product called Presto that focuses on the "C" in MVC. Presto is an application controller that turns an AS into a "computer" that manages all resources from a single program replacing hundreds of servlets and JSP's. It is a top down program and can be written in any language. It nicely with struts. Stay tuned.

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WMV on Linux

Posted by: Chris Mountford on February 16, 2002 in response to Message #40616
Well you can watch it on linux if you use MPlayer. You need to make it the handler for wmv though. You have to compile MPlayer yourself, and it is a little hairy.




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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Jonathan Asbell on February 17, 2002 in response to Message #40615
One problem is that Struts (and servlets sometimes) hides urls. When business people want to do reporting using logs they cant see what resources were accessed. You have to intentionally implement something to get this effect.

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Stephane KAY on February 18, 2002 in response to Message #40947
That's the point.
Implementing that under stress, and you're going to build a "gas factory", like we say in french.

Using Struts, I realized after a while that workflow could be considerating as an independant layer. Just as "presentation" or "buisness" layers.
I wonder if there is some good reason not to do so.





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Fantastic Interview! Any way to get a transcript?

Posted by: Buck Melton on April 01, 2002 in response to Message #40507
This is a great succinct explanation of so many
presentation layer issues. Is there any way to
get a transcript of the interview?
Thanks.
-Buck
bmelton@accordus.com

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Hard Core Tech Talk with Craig McClanahan Posted on TSS

Posted by: Malcolm Chaires on April 27, 2002 in response to Message #40507
No reflection on Struts or Craig, but the presentation is wack! Why doesnt Host J2EE just bite the bullet and conduct a proper interview and put that up for us to download? This answer-to-one-question-at-a-time stuff sucks. OK I'll ~say~ it. Micorsoft does a much better job of this. Take a look at their Dot Net Show series on MSDN - please!

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Thanks to Craig McClanahan and Apache Jakarta and Sun

Posted by: Rajmahendra Hegde on February 03, 2004 in response to Message #40507
Many more thanks to all who worked for Struts, to Craig McClanahan, and Jakarta Apache, Sun ........

I Harty congratulate all for a good Invension of a new tool for Java based web support Framework :)

Expecting still more tools like Struts,Ant,Tomcat.... :)

Rajmahendra Hegde

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