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Tech Talk with Mike Cannon-Brookes on OpenSymphony, JavaBlogs

Posted by: Nitin Bharti on November 06, 2003 DIGG
In this interview, Mike talks about the OpenSymphony group, why it was started, and how it's different from Jakarta. He looks at what's new in WebWork2, the benefits of using SiteMesh, and describes the various technologies used by JavaBlogs such as Velocity, Quartz, OSUser, and GLUE. He also comments on competing, commercial and open source products and how this competition fuels innovation.

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·  Tech Talk with Mike Cannon-Brookes on OpenSymphony, JavaBlogs by Nitin Bharti on Thu Nov 06 13:16:17 EST 2003
  ·  Sitemesh vs Tiles observations by Nick Minutello on Fri Nov 07 12:50:29 EST 2003
    ·  Obtaining Sitemesh is a bit difficult/confusing by Te Vo on Sun Nov 09 09:23:18 EST 2003
      ·  SM release & more info on all projects by Mike Cannon-Brookes on Sun Nov 09 16:51:55 EST 2003
        ·  SM release & more info on all projects by Ray Harrison on Mon Nov 10 12:45:33 EST 2003
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Sitemesh vs Tiles observations

Posted by: Nick Minutello on November 07, 2003 in response to Message #100857
Difference between Sitemesh and Tiles?

There are a couple of differences that I see:

1) The first one is that Sitemesh is filter based - so you can apply a decorator to a set of pages with just one declaration. You can map different decorations to different url patterns.

Tiles, IMO is a little clumsier for most web applications - where most applications tend to have many pages and few (different) decorations.
With tiles, you have to declare the decoration (in terms of an extension of a default tile) FOR EACH view/page. This is a lot of repetition

2) The other difference is in implementation.
Tiles is based on JSP fragments - which are included before and after the undecorated content. This makes it more difficult to see the decoration as a whole.

Sitemesh is a single JSP page - with a <decorator:body/> tag to tell it where to insert the content of the undecorated page. IMO it makes for simpler comprehension and development of the decorator.


-Nick

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Obtaining Sitemesh is a bit difficult/confusing

Posted by: Te Vo on November 09, 2003 in response to Message #100969
Online pages say that the current version is 2.0, but the download
page only has version 1.5 dated 2002-06-24. Please fix.

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SM release & more info on all projects

Posted by: Mike Cannon-Brookes on November 09, 2003 in response to Message #101063
SM 2.0 will be released soon - it's been stable in CVS for ages (months) and is in use with a lot of production projects. That said, I know that's the traditional 'open source excuse' and I generally dislike 'look in CVS' - so we'll make a release soon, very soon :)

Also if you want more information, Patrick Lightbody, Joe Walnes, Ara Abrahamian and I have recently written a book about all these technologies (with a good smattering of techniques like TDD, mock objects, inversion of control etc) which will be released at the end of this month:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0471463620

Enjoy!

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SM release & more info on all projects

Posted by: Ray Harrison on November 10, 2003 in response to Message #101075
I've been a long-time user of Open Symphony software - sitemesh, oscache, and webwork when they picked that up (and now, of course, webwork2). If you haven't tried their stuff - I would highly recommend doing so. I am definitely looking forward to the "real" release of sitemesh 2.0 (not to mention webwork2!).

Cheers
Ray

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