The Geronimo project is now out of Apache Incubation and has been granted top-level project status by the ASF.

From the announcement:

The Apache Software Foundation (ASF) announced today that Apache Geronimo has been approved as an official project of the ASF. The objective of the Apache Geronimo project is to produce an open source, certified implementation of the Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition (J2EE) specification licensed under the Apache License and offered to the public at no charge.

Since its inception in August 2003, the Geronimo project has been working under the oversight of the Apache Incubator, a process used by the ASF to ensure new projects build a healthy community. The process also provides oversight and inspection of the codebase to ensure that it conforms to the Foundation's high standards for licensing and code integrity.

Read more in: Apache Software Foundation Announces Apache Geronimo as an Official Project

Go to the new Apache Geronimo home page: http://geronimo.apache.org

Congratulations. Is there a published schedule for J2EE certification?

Peace,

Cameron Purdy
Tangosol, Inc.
Coherence: Clustered JCache for Grid Computing!

Congratulations! This is very good.

Wei
Acelet

Good to see this come through to Apache SF :)

I don't understand what does gluecode have to do with anything?

And I couldn't find the download either. I do have poor eyesight, so it might be my own fault, but I think if there is anything to download, it should be set in bold and displayed prominently.

Keep taking the drugs!

-John-

I found the downloads...they are linked from Geronimo Wiki.

In my opinion, it is silly to announce Geronimo becoming an official Apache project and not include the download links on the Geronimo home page. I still have no idea who Gluecode is...there is simply a link at the end of press release, wtf? Why not add a link to google or cnn? I'm sure if I do more research I can eventually find out, but it's silly that the press release doesn't explain why the link to gluecode is there.

If gluecode is the company that develops Geronimo then the press release should mention it explicitely.

Leo :

I still have no idea who Gluecode is...there is simply a link at the end of press release, wtf? Why not add a link to google or cnn? I'm sure if I do more research I can eventually find out, but it's silly that the press release doesn't explain why the link to gluecode is there.If gluecode is the company that develops Geronimo then the press release should mention it explicitely.

That was an error on the PRNewsWire side - Gluecode assisted us with the PR and their name accidentally got onto the announcement. PRNewsWire is correcting the mistake.

- geir

Here is the download link: http://geronimo.apache.org/cvs-usage.html

Another Link of download: http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo

This is excellent news. Take a look at the list of commiters on this project, it's got some serious manpower, they're real people too!

I wasn't initially too hot on the idea of yet another J2EE implementation but given that the other open source impl. is JBoss I think it's about time we had a decent choice and this is it.

Great stuff guys, I hope I can get involved.

-John-

Great work guys! I'm looking forward to experimenting with it!

It's been pointed out that the Geronimo project homepage doesn't have a link to downloads. This of course is an oversight on our part - something we forgot to take care of coming out of incubation.

The main site can be found here :

http://geronimo.apache.org

and as some posters have found, the downloads are available from our wiki :

http://wiki.apache.org/geronimo

I apologize for the oversight - it's been a lot of work 'graduating' to official project status, and this one fell through the cracks.

- geir

I m sure it will be as good as your other projects and the industry will get another great app server.
Thanks a lot guys....

With all of the Bad MOJO arounding some people associated with JBoss, your timing is great! I am glad to see JBoss hava some competition.

Hi all,

As a seniro Java developer and after know different Container I really liek to Conratulate to the team who is leading this project.

We will have a long life with J2EE solutions and your amazing help.


Pedro Rozo
Sun Certified Web Components Developer
http://www.smartjsp.com
Vancouver, BC
Canada

Did JBoss made so much noise that nobody heard of JOnAS ?
Is competition just about buzwords and hype ?
Look at http://jonas.objectweb.org/
Thank

http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=25&i=49&t=49

http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=25&i=49&t=49

Open Source community should really do more of this. Before starting a new project, evaluate if it would be better to commit resources at enhancing something that already exists, instead of recreating it from scratch. We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.

PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.

Regards,
Henrique Steckelberg

We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

The reasoning _seems_ logical, but it doesn't work any better than saying that in the US there should only be one phone company.

Competition helps. Specifically, it helps to have some small projects so the authors can experiment without having to worry about the results.

We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

The reasoning _seems_ logical, but it doesn't work any better than saying that in the US there should only be one phone company.Competition helps. Specifically, it helps to have some small projects so the authors can experiment without having to worry about the results.

As I stated in my post, I am not against competition. I am against duplication of efforts, when there's the possibility of making what exists better and solve the same problem in the end. OS community should always evaluate if its (abundant but limited) resources should be better applied at creating something new or improving something that already exists, in order to become more efficient. Of course there will be situations where starting from scratch will be better than improving something, mostly political or technical problems. What I am questioning is if OS community does evaluate existing solutions before starting something new. In the specific case of Geronimo, by leveraging upon Jonas' components, they have gained lots of time. Imagine how long Apache would have taken to develop these from scratch. BTW, competition will always exist anyway, in the form of closed source software and private companies.

Regards,
Henrique Steckelberg

They heard. But maybe they don't like it. They think that they can do better. And they are doing better. I asure you that they are using alot from the existing quality open source codebases. They also work in a closed collaboration with the ObjectWeb guys.

You might want to take a closer look to Geronimo before saying "It already exists. Why make another one ?". Just because it can be better. As one of previous posters said if you'll take a look at the comitters you'll join me in believing that Geornimo will be at least as good as the existing app servers on the market.

It is my believe though that it will be the best. And also watching these guys closely right from the project start, I can tell you that we'll have a product sooner than anyone thought.

We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

The reasoning _seems_ logical, but it doesn't work any better than saying that in the US there should only be one phone company.Competition helps. Specifically, it helps to have some small projects so the authors can experiment without having to worry about the results.

As I stated in my post, I am not against competition. I am against duplication of efforts, when there's the possibility of making what exists better and solve the same problem in the end. OS community should always evaluate if its (abundant but limited) resources should be better applied at creating something new or improving something that already exists, in order to become more efficient. Of course there will be situations where starting from scratch will be better than improving something, mostly political or technical problems. What I am questioning is if OS community does evaluate existing solutions before starting something new. In the specific case of Geronimo, by leveraging upon Jonas' components, they have gained lots of time. Imagine how long Apache would have taken to develop these from scratch. BTW, competition will always exist anyway, in the form of closed source software and private companies.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

Probably you have never worked for any open source projects if you are complaing about the way in which OSS works :).

BTW: DO we have any j2ee app server with BSD like license? This is already a very valid reason for starting new project.

Michal

Probably you have never worked for any open source projects if you are complaing about the way in which OSS works :). BTW: DO we have any j2ee app server with BSD like license? This is already a very valid reason for starting new project. Michal

Ok, you can take my opinion as an "outside view" of OS, then. ;) I wasn't really complaining, but just pointing out something that could help OS in general. OS is effective due to its large sum of resources available, so this efficiency issue can be secondary in OS world now. But if someday these resources start to lessen, then greater efficiency will be called for indeed. But unlike some "divination-gifted" persons in this forum ;) , I can't predict if this will ever happen in the future.

Regards,
Henrique Steckelberg

Probably you have never worked for any open source projects if you are complaing about the way in which OSS works :). BTW: DO we have any j2ee app server with BSD like license? This is already a very valid reason for starting new project. Michal

Ok, you can take my opinion as an "outside view" of OS, then. ;) I wasn't really complaining, but just pointing out something that could help OS in general. OS is effective due to its large sum of resources available, so this efficiency issue can be secondary in OS world now. But if someday these resources start to lessen, then greater efficiency will be called for indeed. But unlike some "divination-gifted" persons in this forum ;) , I can't predict if this will ever happen in the future.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

I guess that what you want is impossible...
If you ever worked in mid size of large company you could probably observe how difficult is to assure the conhernce and unity among project. Even in such managed env. where centralized control exits it is very hard to do so and it takes years and thousands of hours of meetings and tons of documents.
Many OS projects are developed during free time of their devlopers. They have very rarly free time at the same day. They live in different time zones. Face 2 Face meetings almost never take place. So it is even difficult to manage things even within relativly small projects. Then you have to add the fact that different people have different visions of doing things or that they dislike some other people, licensing problem (bsd /gpl), other political problems and so on.


Michal

http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=25&i=49&t=49

Open Source community should really do more of this. Before starting a new project, evaluate if it would be better to commit resources at enhancing something that already exists, instead of recreating it from scratch. We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

I Agree with your concerns especially when i see more than 500 projects listed on source forge net - most of them have no documentation, no clue what and when would they deliver etc. Thats whne open source sucks.
BUT ..... Apache is different. And they have proven record of producing the best of the best- they beat JBOSS ( i had to say it ) and others by miles. So I think we should be happy that there will be one great app server for free , with very good documentation and support - developed by serious people and wont be run by "High EGO- less material" talkers like JBOSS.
So enjoy and wait for the first stable release......

http://www.objectweb.org/phorum/read.php?f=25&i=49&t=49

Open Source community should really do more of this. Before starting a new project, evaluate if it would be better to commit resources at enhancing something that already exists, instead of recreating it from scratch. We are seeing an ever increasing number of frameworks, components, services and APIs, and the level of overlapping is become too high, incurring in greater complexity when choosing what to use in the development of a system. IMHO, we should focus on quality, not quantity.PS: I am not against innovation or competition, I am against plain duplication of what already exists and works.Regards,Henrique Steckelberg

I Agree with your concerns especially when i see more than 500 projects listed on source forge net - most of them have no documentation, no clue what and when would they deliver etc. Thats whne open source sucks. BUT ..... Apache is different. And they have proven record of producing the best of the best- they beat JBOSS ( i had to say it ) and others by miles. So I think we should be happy that there will be one great app server for free , with very good documentation and support - developed by serious people and wont be run by "High EGO- less material" talkers like JBOSS. So enjoy and wait for the first stable release......

As long as I know many former JBoss-Folks are now on the geronimo bandwagon ;o)
so the code difference between both will not be so big ...

Hey guys who are responsible for this great project, I respect you ...

Congrulations, I am very happy to watch your new ideas....

I want to congrats all the developer team of Apache Geronimo. We needed it!