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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Floyd Marinescu on June 01, 2005 DIGG
In TSS' first satirical TechTalk, Cameron Purdy and Floyd Marinescu interview Hani Suleiman, the writer of the infamous BileBlog.

At times serious, at times ridiculous, the interview covers Hani's views on Java and various technologies and personalities in the community, his top three pet peeves (obligatory Maven pot shots), the background behind a number of inside Bileblog jokes such as the definition of "asshat", Craig Mclanahan's proper name spelling, etc.

On a personal note, we also hear about Hani's childhood and discover the less known fact that Hani is actually on the JCP and is an appserver and portal vendor.

In perhaps a slightly less-bile style, Hani also gives us a pragmattic look at the state of open source software, the good, the bad, and the ugly with JSR-168, EJB 3, the JCP, .NET vs. Java, and more.

Go clicky-clickety here to see Hani Suleiman on Java

Note: This is a satirical tech talk, and for the most part not intended to be serious.

Threaded replies

·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Floyd Marinescu on Wed Jun 01 13:26:53 EDT 2005
  ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Joseph Ottinger on Thu Jun 02 08:34:58 EDT 2005
    ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Mark Nuttall on Thu Jun 02 09:54:44 EDT 2005
      ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Joseph Ottinger on Thu Jun 02 09:57:27 EDT 2005
  ·  Sold Out by Clown Puncher on Thu Jun 02 09:42:40 EDT 2005
    ·  Wow, something worth reading on TSS! by Brennan Stehling on Thu Jun 02 09:53:23 EDT 2005
  ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by random fletch on Thu Jun 02 10:40:29 EDT 2005
  ·  Paris Hilton by Bill Burke on Thu Jun 02 10:40:37 EDT 2005
    ·  Waste of time by Atlas Casa on Thu Jun 02 11:00:58 EDT 2005
      ·  Waste of time by Mark Nuttall on Thu Jun 02 11:24:27 EDT 2005
    ·  Hanin Hilton by Roy Russo on Thu Jun 02 11:08:18 EDT 2005
      ·  and a quick perusal of your previous posts... by Adam Flynn on Thu Jun 02 12:01:18 EDT 2005
        ·  and a quick perusal of your previous posts... by Roy Russo on Thu Jun 02 12:16:09 EDT 2005
      ·  Hanin Hilton by Cedric Beust on Thu Jun 02 12:20:01 EDT 2005
        ·  Hanin Hilton by Bill Burke on Thu Jun 02 14:10:37 EDT 2005
      ·  Summing it up... by Mike Spille on Thu Jun 02 12:22:08 EDT 2005
        ·  Summing it up... by Bill Burke on Thu Jun 02 14:17:17 EDT 2005
          ·  Summing it up... by Mike Spille on Thu Jun 02 14:31:52 EDT 2005
            ·  Summing it up... by Dorel Vaida on Fri Jun 03 03:10:44 EDT 2005
      ·  Hanin Hilton by Matt Giacomini on Thu Jun 02 12:25:31 EDT 2005
      ·  Hanin Hilton by Clown Puncher on Thu Jun 02 12:47:53 EDT 2005
      ·  Hanin Hilton by Clown Puncher on Thu Jun 02 12:49:25 EDT 2005
  ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by simon says on Thu Jun 02 12:08:57 EDT 2005
  ·  Small correction by Nils Kilden-Pedersen on Thu Jun 02 13:19:27 EDT 2005
  ·  Didn't mention me by Andrew Oliver on Thu Jun 02 13:30:05 EDT 2005
    ·  Didn't mention me by Joseph Ottinger on Thu Jun 02 13:31:22 EDT 2005
      ·  Didn't mention me by Roy Russo on Thu Jun 02 13:56:28 EDT 2005
      ·  Didn't mention me by Bill Burke on Thu Jun 02 14:06:21 EDT 2005
        ·  Didn't mention me by Roy Russo on Thu Jun 02 14:08:26 EDT 2005
      ·  Didn't mention me by Patrik A on Fri Jun 03 05:15:39 EDT 2005
  ·  Funny, this is funny by Berlin Brown on Thu Jun 02 23:32:28 EDT 2005
  ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Craig McClanahan on Fri Jun 03 03:42:59 EDT 2005
    ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Patrik A on Fri Jun 03 05:17:28 EDT 2005
    ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Geir Magnusson Jr on Fri Jun 03 11:26:46 EDT 2005
  ·  even better than the real this by PJ Murray on Fri Jun 03 08:48:25 EDT 2005
  ·  BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java by Karim Saloojee on Fri Jun 03 11:26:03 EDT 2005
    ·  Clogging by Thomas Green on Wed Jun 08 13:38:36 EDT 2005
  ·  JavaLobby by Matt Cox on Fri Jun 03 15:41:22 EDT 2005
  ·  His description of the community by Stephane Vaucher on Fri Jun 03 16:08:13 EDT 2005
  ·  good roast by Erick Reid on Wed Jun 08 14:57:50 EDT 2005
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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Joseph Ottinger on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
I have to do it, to maintain the tradition:

First post!

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Sold Out

Posted by: Clown Puncher on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
Bile Boy has sold out. It makes me sooooooo angry I could punch my clown

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Wow, something worth reading on TSS!

Posted by: Brennan Stehling on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172776
hehehe

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Mark Nuttall on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172759
I have to do it, to maintain the tradition:First post!
No fair. You had inside info.

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Joseph Ottinger on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172778
I have to do it, to maintain the tradition:First post!
No fair. You had inside info.

No way! Oh, wait, way. I gotta win somehow.

Besides, historically speaking, I *did* have a few fair-and-square first posts on the bileblog...

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: random fletch on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
Most... Boring... Interview... Ever...

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Paris Hilton

Posted by: Bill Burke on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
As one of our developers recently emailed me "Hani Suleiman is the Paris Hilton of the Java community." This developer can elaborate if he wishes, but I'll leave it up to him.

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Waste of time

Posted by: Atlas Casa on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172789
I can’t believe something so stupid is posted on the SS.

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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Roy Russo on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172789
Yes, Hani Hilton. The Paris Hilton reference had no bearing on any sex tapes floating about on the net or the bad acting of an aweful reality show. Although Hani's blog and interview do have some resemblance to watching a bad TV show or a train wreck, for that matter. Hani Hilton shares the surname of Paris mostly for one reason - a talentless hack that hogs the red carpet despite contributing no value at all to the public.

I find it amazing that someone that is so pickled (ie. full of piss and vinegar) is given a forum to spew his venom. The man has nothing of value to add to anything in the community, but TSS seems to think it wise to post his meaningless dribble and awefully boring interview for the sake of appeasing his ego. It is quite the snoozer of an interview, btw - blah blah. I hate this. blah blah. I hate that. Really enlightening 0_o

I'm guessing his hate towards anything and anyone of any significance stems from the fact that he is completely irrelevant in the java community, despite some votes he may have been handed by some who fear he will turn his limp guns on them.

Keep it up, Hilton. The more outlandish, bitter, and absurd your comments become over time, the more irrelevant and fringe-personality you become.

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Waste of time

Posted by: Mark Nuttall on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172791
I can’t believe something so stupid is posted on the SS.
Well, they did warn you.

I am more upset by all the DTO talk on other threads. :) I'll refrain from calling it stupid ... but as Forest Gump said ... .

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and a quick perusal of your previous posts...

Posted by: Adam Flynn on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
..reveals you to be on the JBoss Portal team, which I think explains some of your bitterness.
Relax, the bileblog is a couple of minutes entertainment on a Friday afternoon. It's just a wind-up.

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: simon says on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
great interview :D

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and a quick perusal of your previous posts...

Posted by: Roy Russo on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172804
..reveals you to be on the JBoss Portal team, which I think explains some of your bitterness.

I could be an Argentine gaucho and still spot Hani Hilton's *issues* a mile away. My affiliation with JBoss is irrelevant.
Relax, the bileblog is a couple of minutes entertainment on a Friday afternoon. It's just a wind-up.

Yes! Just like Paris Hilton! Thank you. ;-)

I think I'm going to view the interview over again with my nightvision goggles.

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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Cedric Beust on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
The man has nothing of value to add to anything in the community
Obviously, the communities (plural, I mean TSS, Sun, and Java) disagree with you, and it makes me wonder why you have decided to speak on their behalf.
but TSS seems to think it wise to post his meaningless dribble and awefully boring interview for the sake of appeasing his ego.
Then take it up with the TSS people, Hani didn't ask to be interviewed.
he is completely irrelevant in the java community
Not only is the current thread a clear indication that you are wrong about that, but Hani also happens to be one of the very few individuals who's part of the JCP Executive Committee.

Very few individuals have achieved this, and the few who do definitely belong to the category of "people who are instrumental to the Java community".

I give you credit for coining "Hani Hilton", though, I love it.

--
Cedric

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Summing it up...

Posted by: Mike Spille on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
In other words, Roy, you are intensely jealous.

And, ironically, your post actually describes itself better than it describes Hani. The best example of "outlandish, bitter, and absurd" comments would be...um, your post about outlandish, bitter, and absurd comments!

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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Matt Giacomini on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
Ha ha. I think that every community needs a Hani or two ;)

I notice that he was much more PC in video form. What a Wuss! He should have come out all guns blazing. This was a one time interview for him, and he wasted it.

Roy, your taking yourself to seriously.

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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Clown Puncher on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
Yes, Hani Hilton. The Paris Hilton reference had no bearing on any sex tapes floating about on the net or the bad acting of an aweful reality show. Although Hani's blog and interview do have some resemblance to watching a bad TV show or a train wreck, for that matter. Hani Hilton shares the surname of Paris mostly for one reason - a talentless hack that hogs the red carpet despite contributing no value at all to the public. I find it amazing that someone that is so pickled (ie. full of piss and vinegar) is given a forum to spew his venom. The man has nothing of value to add to anything in the community, but TSS seems to think it wise to post his meaningless dribble and awefully boring interview for the sake of appeasing his ego. It is quite the snoozer of an interview, btw - blah blah. I hate this. blah blah. I hate that. Really enlightening 0_oI'm guessing his hate towards anything and anyone of any significance stems from the fact that he is completely irrelevant in the java community, despite some votes he may have been handed by some who fear he will turn his limp guns on them. Keep it up, Hilton. The more outlandish, bitter, and absurd your comments become over time, the more irrelevant and fringe-personality you become.


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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Clown Puncher on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172794
Marc, is that you ?

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Small correction

Posted by: Nils Kilden-Pedersen on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
As Hani very well knows, he used to fly for Lufthansa, not KLM.

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Andrew Oliver on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
I'm just upset that Hani didn't mention me. I always consider it a high compliment when he mentions he considers me an ass hat. Its like if Saddam Hussain said I wasn't his favorite developer or something. Its like the pope would feel if Satan said "he's my least favorite yet". I manage to make mention in the bile blog like every 3rd entry. It just seems wrong that I wasn't mentioned explicitly :-)

-Andy

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Joseph Ottinger on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172830
I'm just upset that Hani didn't mention me. I always consider it a high compliment when he mentions he considers me an ass hat. Its like if Saddam Hussain said I wasn't his favorite developer or something. Its like the pope would feel if Satan said "he's my least favorite yet". I manage to make mention in the bile blog like every 3rd entry. It just seems wrong that I wasn't mentioned explicitly :-)-Andy

Maybe he knew you'd mention yourself if he didn't - which in itself references your asshat-hood more effectively than he could.

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Roy Russo on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172832
Maybe he knew you'd mention yourself if he didn't - which in itself references your asshat-hood more effectively than he could.
+1

;-)

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Bill Burke on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172832
I'm just upset that Hani didn't mention me. I always consider it a high compliment when he mentions he considers me an ass hat. Its like if Saddam Hussain said I wasn't his favorite developer or something. Its like the pope would feel if Satan said "he's my least favorite yet". I manage to make mention in the bile blog like every 3rd entry. It just seems wrong that I wasn't mentioned explicitly :-)-Andy
Maybe he knew you'd mention yourself if he didn't - which in itself references your asshat-hood more effectively than he could.

Looks like we have a new whipping boy...

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Roy Russo on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172835
Looks like we have a new whipping boy...

Or would the correct term be "Tinkerbelle"? Points to ponder.

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Hanin Hilton

Posted by: Bill Burke on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172811
Hani also happens to be one of the very few individuals who's part of the JCP Executive Committee.Very few individuals have achieved this, and the few who do definitely belong to the category of "people who are instrumental to the Java community".I give you credit for coining "Hani Hilton", though, I love it.-- Cedric

Hani is not on JCP EC. I do remember him being nominated, but he did not get enough votes.

http://www.jcp.org/en/participation/committee

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Summing it up...

Posted by: Bill Burke on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172812
In other words, Roy, you are intensely jealous.And, ironically, your post actually describes itself better than it describes Hani. The best example of "outlandish, bitter, and absurd" comments would be...um, your post about outlandish, bitter, and absurd comments!

The bitter blogger is back...LOL! thought you had sworn off TSS?

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Summing it up...

Posted by: Mike Spille on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172839
Cool - 1/3 of the comments on this thread are from JBoss Inc. employees. You boys really have to learn to mask your insecurities just a leetle bit better.

Anyway, you go run along now Bill before you embarass your investors _again_.

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Funny, this is funny

Posted by: Berlin Brown on June 02, 2005 in response to Message #172632
This is awesome. I would love to hear a podcast every week.

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Summing it up...

Posted by: Dorel Vaida on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172842
Cool - 1/3 of the comments on this thread are from JBoss Inc. employees. You boys really have to learn to mask your insecurities just a leetle bit better.Anyway, you go run along now Bill before you embarass your investors _again_.

It's just like Hani says, I wonder how does he manage to actually be right sometimes :-D. I mean you really can't refrain yourself from 'beating up' a JBoss guy, wherever you see him. It's just a huge impulse :-))

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Craig McClanahan on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172632
What good is it to be biled, if no searcher will ever find out about it :-(. Hani, *please* add "Craig" and "McClanahan" to your favorite editor's dictionary. I don't care if you only reference me in a footnote -- but at least ONCE i'd like to find your biles about me via a Google search on my actual name :-).

Craig McClanahan

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Didn't mention me

Posted by: Patrik A on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172832
Epesh++;

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Patrik A on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172914
Try: google.com?q=mcclanhablahna poo-poo instead?

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even better than the real this

Posted by: PJ Murray on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172632
forget the interview and BileBlog, this thread much better!



PJ Murray
http://www.codefutures.com

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Karim Saloojee on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172632
Great interview! I always wanted to know more about Hani. But I just don't get it, why does he hate Clogging SOOOOO much?

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BileTalk: Hani Suleiman, author of the BileBlog, on Java

Posted by: Geir Magnusson Jr on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172914
Craig :
What good is it to be biled, if no searcher will ever find out about it :-(. Hani, *please* add "Craig" and "McClanahan" to your favorite editor's dictionary. I don't care if you only reference me in a footnote -- but at least ONCE i'd like to find your biles about me via a Google search on my actual name :-).Craig McClanahan

Here's the list I could find :

Craig McLanalanahamabanahan
Craig Mcflanabanawanaflafla
Craig Mclanaflanapoopoo
Craig Mclanafanablahblahhan
Craig Mclalaflahwibble
Craig Mcflafla
Craig Mcclalalanasomethingortheother
Craig McBlahblah
Craig McFlaBlahlan
Craig McThingy

:)

- geir

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JavaLobby

Posted by: Matt Cox on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172632
Well you can't say he wasn't wrong about JavaLobby. Their current poll is:

Survey: Are light sabres Java-powered?

-- And of course the Yes have it.

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His description of the community

Posted by: Stephane Vaucher on June 03, 2005 in response to Message #172632
With his comments about stupidity in the community, I'm surprised, he didn't quote these famous demotivational posters:

http://us.st5.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1843_1702845
http://us.st5.yimg.com/store1.yimg.com/I/demotivators_1843_8252072

sv

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Clogging

Posted by: Thomas Green on June 08, 2005 in response to Message #172990
Yeah, I wonder this as well. I find the existence of Clogging to be reasonably helpful, given that there is no other implementation-independent way of logging that I know of. Am I missing something? I suppose the way they did it might suck, but I'd rather use Clogging than hard-code a dependency to a particular implementation or (worse) have to live with someone else's hard-coded dependency.

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good roast

Posted by: Erick Reid on June 08, 2005 in response to Message #172632
eric zorn from chicago tribune sums up why this interview was, imo, mighty funny: "The part of the brain that registers surprise, which humor depends on, apparently resides very close in the cerebellum to its cousins: shock, dismay and disgust. They're always poking each other and giggling, at least in my case." (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-0503170239mar17,1,1108293.column?coll=chi-navrailnews-nav)

some of hani's jabs hit pretty close to home, but this too made for a good laugh.

there is value in his pragmatic cynicism.

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