- Do you want to relinquish any control over how your code is used and distributed?
- NO: put it in public domain and you're done.
- YES: Copyright it, and ask: Do you want to allow people to use your code in non open-source programs?
- NO: release it under the GPL.
- YES: If somebody uses your code in their program and sells their program for money, do you want some of that money?
- YES: Dual-license or don't release the source at all and use a closed-source license.
- NO: Use a "commercial-friendly" license, and ask: If somebody uses your code and improves it (fixes bugs or adds features) do you want to make them give you the improvements back so you can use them too?
- NO: Use a non-reciprocal license.
- YES: Use a reciprocal license.
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HOWTO: Pick an open source license (17 messages)
- Posted by: Joseph Ottinger
- Posted on: June 15 2006 09:24 EDT
Ed Burnette, in "HOWTO: Pick an open source license (part one)" gives a simple step-by-step approach for choosing an open source license, covering such concerns as: control over usage, use in closed-source environments, reciprocal code contributions, monetary concerns, and more. From the article:Threaded Messages (17)
- is Dual-license enforceable? by Wei Jiang on June 15 2006 10:12 EDT
- It's all in the FAQ by Johannes Brodwall on June 15 2006 12:39 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by Casual Visitor on June 15 2006 02:09 EDT
- Re: It's all in the FAQ by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 16 2006 09:58 EDT
- Re: It's all in the FAQ by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 16 2006 09:50 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by ronald miura on June 16 2006 02:14 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 16 2006 04:23 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by ronald miura on June 16 2006 06:07 EDT
- Re: It's all in the FAQ by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 17 2006 01:09 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by ronald miura on June 16 2006 06:07 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 16 2006 04:23 EDT
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Re: It's all in the FAQ by Casual Visitor on June 15 2006 02:09 EDT
- Re: is Dual-license enforceable? by Erik Engbrecht on June 15 2006 12:43 EDT
- It's all in the FAQ by Johannes Brodwall on June 15 2006 12:39 EDT
- Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license by Andrew Stevens on June 15 2006 12:29 EDT
- Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license by David Peters on June 16 2006 08:03 EDT
- Dual-licensing doesn't work by Casual Visitor on June 15 2006 14:21 EDT
- Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work by Irakli Nadareishvili on June 15 2006 21:22 EDT
- Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work by Casual Visitor on June 16 2006 04:24 EDT
- Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work by The Ugly One With The Jewels on June 16 2006 10:07 EDT
- Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work by Irakli Nadareishvili on June 15 2006 21:22 EDT
- Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license by Ed Burnette on June 22 2006 15:59 EDT
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is Dual-license enforceable?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Wei Jiang
- Posted on: June 15 2006 10:12 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
I do not understand dual-license. For example, MySQL comes with a GPL license and other license. With GPL, I can (I do not) publish the whole MySQL on my web site. You download MySQL from my site. Or you get a copy from a friend. You never see the other license. So the other license is virtually not exist. Wei Jiang Acelet Schedule Web Service tasks by clicking -
It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Johannes Brodwall
- Posted on: June 15 2006 12:39 EDT
- in response to Wei Jiang
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.html "GPL users must abide by the rules of the GPL, which stipulate that if a MySQL-based application is redistributed, the complete source code for this application must also be open and available for redistribution." If your use MySQL as GPL, your whole software, not just GPL needs to be available to your users. If you don't like this, you should buy a commercial MySQL license. -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 15 2006 14:09 EDT
- in response to Johannes Brodwall
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.html
Your conclusion is, of course, wrong! Redmond style. You are only affected by GPL when you _distribute_ an application which is based on GPL code. When you use GPLd code inhouse, there is no need to publish anything of your code. That's how all the LAMP sites work.
"GPL users must abide by the rules of the GPL, which stipulate that if a MySQL-based application is redistributed, the complete source code for this application must also be open and available for redistribution."
If your use MySQL as GPL, your whole software, not just GPL needs to be available to your users. If you don't like this, you should buy a commercial MySQL license. -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Ugly One With The Jewels
- Posted on: June 16 2006 09:58 EDT
- in response to Casual Visitor
You are only affected by GPL when you _distribute_ an application which is based on GPL code. When you use GPLd code inhouse, there is no need to publish anything of your code.
well, it depending on what "based on GPL code" means in each particular case. In the case of a database, where you probably use the standard JDBC API to unformly access the database layer, your application is not by any means derived by MySQL and you don't have any obligations / restrictions for licensing your code That is - you can distribute it under an arbitrary licence, as long as you don't bundle a GPL piece (like MySQL) in the distribution but instead ask the users to download and install it separately (so that the act of distribution, governed by the GPL licence, is of no concern for you) -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Ugly One With The Jewels
- Posted on: June 16 2006 09:50 EDT
- in response to Johannes Brodwall
If your use MySQL as GPL, your whole software, not just GPL needs to be available to your users
absolutely wrong I can choose whatever licence I want for my software, as long as I do not *distribute* MySQL with it and ask the users to download it separately (no matter where from) GPL covers only software distribution, not software usage -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: ronald miura
- Posted on: June 16 2006 14:14 EDT
- in response to Johannes Brodwall
http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/faq.html
MySQL's license have always confused me... 1. I can distribute GPL software with my own software, without being affected by the GPL terms. So, I can distribute the MySQL database server with my software without any 'problems'. 2. The only part of MySQL I use in my application is the JDBC driver, but I don't import its classes anywhere in my code. The database driver class is configurable in a editable text (.properties) file, and can be changed to any other supported database (I use Hibernate, so it means pretty any other database). So, my software is not statically linked to the MySQL's JDBC driver, nor dependant on it in any way. Is this use of MySQL considered in the GPL terms? I mean, is my application *based* on MySQL, or it just *uses* it? Even if I do distribute it, do I have to distribute the source of *my* application as GPL?
"GPL users must abide by the rules of the GPL, which stipulate that if a MySQL-based application is redistributed, the complete source code for this application must also be open and available for redistribution."
If your use MySQL as GPL, your whole software, not just GPL needs to be available to your users. If you don't like this, you should buy a commercial MySQL license. -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Ugly One With The Jewels
- Posted on: June 16 2006 16:23 EDT
- in response to ronald miura
MySQL's license have always confused me...
IMHO that's done on purpose, so that people could be mislead into thinking they need to buy a commercial MySQL licence. Specifically quoting from their site: "If you develop and distribute a commercial application and as part of utilizing your application, the end-user must download a copy of MySQL; for each derivative work, you (or, in some cases, your end-user) need a commercial license for the MySQL server and/or MySQL client libraries." now, if my database agnostic application is communicating with a bunch of databases via a standard JDBC interface, and the user needs to download / install MySQL if this is his preferred database, then on what grounds exactly am I required to obtain MySQL licence? Apparently the application does not depend on MySQL, but the user may use it with MySQL if this is his choice, and GPL does not prohibit such usage in any way1. I can distribute GPL software with my own software, without being affected by the GPL terms. So, I can distribute the MySQL database server with my software without any 'problems'.
no, you cannot GPL governs distribution and according to the GPL licence you cannot distribute a GPL component within a non-GPL bundle2. The only part of MySQL I use in my application is the JDBC driver, but I don't import its classes anywhere in my code. The database driver class is configurable in a editable text (.properties) file, and can be changed to any other supported database (I use Hibernate, so it means pretty any other database). So, my software is not statically linked to the MySQL's JDBC driver, nor dependant on it in any way.
Still you cannot distribute the JDBC drivers, since they are GPL-ed too. The users need to download both the drivers and the database separately from your applicationIs this use of MySQL considered in the GPL terms? I mean, is my application *based* on MySQL, or it just *uses* it? Even if I do distribute it, do I have to distribute the source of *my* application as GPL?
no, your application is not based on MySQL if it communicates with a database (incl. MySQL) via a standard JDBC interface. (Although MySQL AB tries to imply otherwise with their overly broad misinterpretation of "distribution") Only if you make MySQL specific API calls (e.g. importing specific MySQL classes) then your application is considered "derived" from MySQL -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: ronald miura
- Posted on: June 16 2006 18:07 EDT
- in response to The Ugly One With The Jewels
But then, most Linux distributions would be violating the license, since they ship non-GPL software, like Apache (ASL), Firefox (MPL), and proprietary installers/tools, along with GPL software, like MySQL, and the Linux Kernel itself. Note that I'm not linking my application to MySQL in any way, I'm just putting both in the same CD.1. I can distribute GPL software with my own software, without being affected by the GPL terms. So, I can distribute the MySQL database server with my software without any 'problems'.
no, you cannot GPL governs distribution and according to the GPL licence you cannot distribute a GPL component within a non-GPL bundle -
Re: It's all in the FAQ[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Ugly One With The Jewels
- Posted on: June 17 2006 13:09 EDT
- in response to ronald miura
But then, most Linux distributions would be violating the license, since they ship non-GPL software, like Apache (ASL), Firefox (MPL), and proprietary installers/tools, along with GPL software, like MySQL, and the Linux Kernel itself.
GPL allows this because of the "mere aggregation" clause: "In addition, mere aggregation of another work not based on the Program with the Program (or with a work based on the Program) on a volume of a storage or distribution medium does not bring the other work under the scope of this License."Note that I'm not linking my application to MySQL in any way, I'm just putting both in the same CD.
I'm not sure that the "mere aggregation" clause is applicable in your case -
Re: is Dual-license enforceable?[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Erik Engbrecht
- Posted on: June 15 2006 12:43 EDT
- in response to Wei Jiang
I do not understand dual-license.
I believe the only people/business that really need to be a commercial license for MySQL are ISVs and non-GPL projects that haven't received an exemption. If you're doing internal development for internet or intranet applications that will remain in-house you do not need one. So if you distribute an application under a non-GPL license that uses MySQL they catch you, they can sue you. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/
For example, MySQL comes with a GPL license and other license.
With GPL, I can (I do not) publish the whole MySQL on my web site. You download MySQL from my site. Or you get a copy from a friend. You never see the other license. So the other license is virtually not exist.
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Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Andrew Stevens
- Posted on: June 15 2006 12:29 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
From the article:
Relinquish (re·lin·quish) verb: To let go; surrender.- Do you want to relinquish any control over how your code is used and distributed?
- NO: put it in public domain and you're done.
So, if you *don't* want to surrender control over how your code is used and distributed you should put it in the public domain? I think you've got that the wrong way round... -
Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: David Peters
- Posted on: June 16 2006 08:03 EDT
- in response to Andrew Stevens
Yes, he got it the wrong way around, if you look at the article it reads the opposite. -
Dual-licensing doesn't work[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 15 2006 14:21 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
Dual-licensing of libraries is not accepted by users, fortunately. The "noble" motives behind it are too obvious. The only successful dual-licensing comany I know is Qt due to their special relationship to KDE. -
Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Irakli Nadareishvili
- Posted on: June 15 2006 21:22 EDT
- in response to Casual Visitor
Dual-licensing of libraries is not accepted by users, fortunately. The "noble" motives behind it are too obvious. The only successful dual-licensing comany I know is Qt due to their special relationship to KDE.
Bullsh*t. There are many more. Does the name MySQL ring any bells? They live by dual-licensing. -
Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Casual Visitor
- Posted on: June 16 2006 04:24 EDT
- in response to Irakli Nadareishvili
There are many more.
Is MySQL a library? Who are the 'many more'?
Does the name MySQL ring any bells? They live by dual-licensing. -
Re: Dual-licensing doesn't work[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: The Ugly One With The Jewels
- Posted on: June 16 2006 10:07 EDT
- in response to Irakli Nadareishvili
perhaps you can also provide some proof for the crowds of users willing to pay the licence, instead of simply using a truly open source database under a non-GPL licence? A link to concrete financial figures will be most welcomeDual-licensing of libraries is not accepted by users, fortunately. The "noble" motives behind it are too obvious...
Bullsh*t. There are many more.
Does the name MySQL ring any bells? They live by dual-licensing. -
Re: HOWTO: Pick an open source license[ Go to top ]
- Posted by: Ed Burnette
- Posted on: June 22 2006 15:59 EDT
- in response to Joseph Ottinger
FYI, I made some updates today based on user comments, to help clarify things a little. For example using vs. distributing.