News: Jason Lee: Postmortem for JavaOne 2008
- Posted by: Joseph Ottinger
- Posted on: May 10 2008 13:01 EDT
- Cheeser, ya got there before me ... by David Whitehurst on May 11 2008 22:58 EDT
- Re: Alternatives to "Negative Approach" by douglas dooley on May 12 2008 01:00 EDT
- PowerPoint only by V C on May 12 2008 13:11 EDT
- Re: Jason Lee: Postmortem for JavaOne 2008 by Richard Sharpe on May 13 2008 09:48 EDT
- Thank you!!! by Roberto D. on May 16 2008 09:10 EDT
- Re: Jason Lee: Postmortem for JavaOne 2008 by Ay??e Saygi on July 27 2008 13:14 EDT
Cheeser, I'm going to do some events next year if I have to sell a kidney. Congrats on the book too! David (piratepete)
Cheeser,Incidentally, wrong J. Lee. :)
I'm going to do some events next year if I have to sell a kidney. Congrats on the book too!
Jason, Thanks for this entry, it is good for those of us who could not attend J1 2008 to hear some positive coverage amidst the diatribes of negativity...(side note: man, i just got off of Dave Rosenberg's CNet blog, and cant believe some people)... I have not been to other conferences in some time, but how can Java 1 be that bad with that many people and that much important software in one setting; i am on the record as being a little skeptical of the front-and-center status that JavaFX enjoys, so there are areas of improvement... However, with all that Sun has done for Java and OSS, it would seem that some thanks or acknowledgement is warranted; i am still waiting for someone who was there to talk about what the Spring guys said ab/ JEE6, so hopefully that is forthcoming... but until then, i would just like to say that Sun has done more for more people in the enterprise software industry than any other vendor, it is fashionable to lambaste their revenue shortfalls, perhaps with good reason, but quite another to consider them irrelevant or somehow not "getting it"... to me, anyone who thinks that Sun's days in software are over, and never amounted to anything beyond Solaris' glory run, are all wet...beyond that, vitriol is another way of masking ignorance, and that statement is as true ab/ Sun's software biz as anything else...
"What perception remains is no longer valid now that two of the major technical problem with applets have been resolved" The issues are solved on PowerPoint. End user deployment, look at this # on the right, vs end user deployment of 6.10. .V
oops, link missing: http://www.onflex.org (for look at the deployment # on the right)
oops, link missing: http://www.onflex.org (for look at the deployment # on the right)Well, I'm not sure what number you are talking about as I didn't see anything about deployment in the few seconds I spend looking, nor do I see how that's relevant to *Java* One. Yes, there are competing technologies that are doing quite well, but none of them are Java. If you are a *Java* shop or developer, then JavaFX/JDK6u10 are likely to be a very attractive offering for those looking for a rich media experience on the web page. Personally, I'd rather not learn Flex if I don't have to. :)
One underlying reason there have been so many negative blogs on JavaOne this year is that there was nothing sensational released for Java as in previous years (we had the buzz of Java 5 and 6 and JSF etc). I think Sun struggled to fill keynotes with innovative features of the language so decided to go with usage (JAVA + YOU was the theme), hence Neil Young speaking. I think this is the first time Sun have had to bring on a Superstar as opposed to not having enough time to discuss new features and innovations. Don't get me wrong! I believe Java still has a long lifespan and the efforts Sun are putting into the VM are substantial. One demo showed by just upgrading from Java 5 to 6 (on the same hardware) there was a 20% performance increase and from Java 5 to Java 6 update 10 there was a 68% performance increase which is astonishing. It was the show, not Java that people seemed to be unhappy with: After 12 years crowd control and lines for sessions is still completely mismanaged, not letting people into rooms for the first morning session when the room is empty seemed ridiculous. Technical speakers also seemed less prepared this year, many just read content from slides and I don’t think I’ve been to a show before where so many demos failed without static back ups in place!! However, a couple of excellent sessions were “Design Patterns Reconsidered” by Alex Miller of Terracotta and “To Boldly Go Where The Java Programming Language Has Gone Before” by Geert Bevin, also of Terracotta. JavaFX was a key announcement at last years JavaOne and this year I saw some impressive demos but it seemed that a mandate was to at least include JavaFX on a slide in every presentation! Also, a lot of people discussing this topic referenced Facebook apps which is a shame as the day before JavaOne began, Facebook announced that it is dropping Java support which has further fueled the ridiculous rumors that Java is dead!! However this does add to the feeling that this year’s show lost some of the gloss from prior years. Let’s hope Sun can make it shine again next in 2009! Richard Sharpe Enerjy Software For Software Quality Discussions go to http://www.enerjy.com/blog
One underlying reason there have been so many negative blogs on JavaOne this year is that there was nothing sensational released for Java as in previous years (we had the buzz of Java 5 and 6 and JSF etc). I think Sun struggled to fill keynotes with innovative features of the language so decided to go with usage (JAVA + YOU was the theme), hence Neil Young speaking.I can see that. To be honest, I was a bit disappointed in that myself. I was told to expect something BIG, and got Neil Young's Bul-Ray project. Cool as that is, as an enterprise developer, it does nothing for me.
It was the show, not Java that people seemed to be unhappy with: After 12 years crowd control and lines for sessions is still completely mismanaged, not letting people into rooms for the first morning session when the room is empty seemed ridiculous. Technical speakers also seemed less prepared this year, many just read content from slides and I don’t think I’ve been to a show before where so many demos failed without static back ups in place!!Spot on again. This being my first JavaOne, I have nothing against which to compare things, but it did seem a bit hectic in the lines. I also lamented on my blog about the wifi problems, which seemed to trip up a lot of people in the demos. To be fair, though, some of those non-keynote demo/presentation melt-downs aren't controlled by Sun, so if the failure wasn't network-related, there's no one to blame but the speakers. :|
Thank you for the nice summary. Very useful to us Java developers. Java One does not have to always have to have a wiz bang announcement. It can be just about minor improvements. Working for a fortune 100 company, we are not looking for disruptive announcements. We are looking how can Java improve software stability, scalability and support. Therefore, I specially like that you highlighted improvements made to Java Applets. -rd
Thank you for the nice summary. Very useful to us Java developers.Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed the summary. While a big announcement would have been cool, sort of an Oprah-new-car moment for geeks, it was cool seeing the improvements in areas that I don't work a lot (which is pretty much anything "thick" or "mobile"). Seeing the applet improvements has inspired me to try writing an applet-based admin tool for my personal homepage. We'll see what comes of that. :)
Java One does not have to always have to have a wiz bang announcement. It can be just about minor improvements. Working for a fortune 100 company, we are not looking for disruptive announcements. We are looking how can Java improve software stability, scalability and support.
Therefore, I specially like that you highlighted improvements made to Java Applets.
I have not been to other conferences in some time, but how can Java 1 be that bad with that many people and that much important software in one setting front-and-center status that Java FX enjoys, so there are areas of ... Java EE spec lead Roberto gave a quick update on all the balls up in the air for that spec, with impressive demos on what to expect from GlassFish version 3 .AND" Danny Coward, the Chief Architect of Sun's Client Software, gave an update on the SE side, discussing the ongoing improvements in Java 6, including some exciting updates on applets (yes, applets. See below) as well as a peek at Java 7. In both specs, a great deal of innovation and change is on the way, so there should be enough to excite just about everybody."WHAT DOES IT MEAN???