Gosling Unleashes on .NET, IBM, Glen Beck, iPads, Oracle & Others

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  1. James Gosling sat down and did a really casual, off-the-cuff interview with the guys at basementcoders.com. You can head over to thier site to download the entire interview. We'll have the transcript of the whole thing up post-haste. But if you don't have the time to listen to the entire hour long interview, here are a few quotable gems that will tide you over until the complete transcript is up on TheServerSide.com:

    A Few Quotes from the James Gosling Interview

    Gosling on Oracle's commitment to the Java Foundation (22:56): "I don’t know how to say it other than to say they were lying, duplicitous shits...Oracle is kind of a funny company because they take glory in that. They have no issues with being categorized that way. Some of their PR people might get a little uncomfortable with it, but up at the top, they deeply, deeply don’t give a shit."

    Gosling on any attempts by Oracle to silence him (36:40): "There’s nothing they can actually do, as far as I know - so long as I don’t lie. But even if I lie, given what happens to other folks that lie in the press… I mean, nobody’s nailed Glen Beck."

    Gosling on IBM: "They'd do anything they can to screw Sun over. I mean, they didn’t name Eclipse casually. "

    Gosling on Google (54:30): "Google is kind of a funny company because a lot of them have this 'peace, love and happiness' version of evil. By being overly 'peace, love and happiness,' and believing the whole world is 'peace, love and happiness,' they end up doing evil."

    Gosling on .NET (29:30): "Microsoft .NET just smears over a huge pile of Sun patents. When they did the .NET design, they basically cut and pasted from the Java spec...They exercised essentially no creativity when coming up with .NET"

    Gosling on the Android lawsuit (31:30): "I would guess that the Oracle lawyers did their homework. Because Android is open source, its easy for the lawyers to hire third party experts and do the comparisons. So they probably have a fairly solid case."

    Gosling on the sale of Sun to Oracle, as opposed to IBM or Google, etc: "Sun’s board was controlled by an extremely small number of institutional investors, and so it was really those institutional investors who were driving everything. The sale had nothing to do with the business or what would be good for the employees or any of that. It was totally a bunch of investment banks needing liquidity now. And they were looking for the best terms with the most certainty."

    Gosling on Oracle's motivations (24:15): "With Oracle it doesn’t have to make sense. It just has to make money. It’s kinda the only game that there is."

    Gosling on SQL Databases (46:00): "Ya know, I’ve never 'got it' when it comes to SQL databases. It’s like 'why?' Just give me a hashtable and a shitload of RAM and I’m happy."

    Gosling on the iPad (13:20):  "We built this really neat little handheld in 1992. It was extraordinarily cool for its day. It had an LCD touchscreen. It had a fairly wicked processor on it. It had a very early version of 802.11. Some of the engineers that had built that phone were deeply involved in the iPad. So in an odd sort of twist of fate, the iPad is kind of an evolution of it."

    Gosling on getting The Order of Canada (at 9:00) : "If only Canada were Britian, I’d be Sir James. But Canada doesn't do the 'Sir' thing, so I escaped that particular indignity."

    Gosling on the future (58:30): "The thing is, the future isn’t something that’s rammed down our throats. The future is a choice. The human race is six or seven billion odd people making choices every day. You add up all those choices, and that’s the direction of humanity."

    Basementcoders.com - The Interview with James Gosling

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  2. I downloaded the interview and played it on my local computer. The audio recording is so bad I gave up listening after a few minutes. There are lots of noises at the background that made it very difficult to hear what James was saying. I hope someone can provide us with a full transcript.

    Jan

  3. A Necessary Evil[ Go to top ]

    Indeed, it's recorded at a coffee shop, and by a group of Java hackers, not professional journalists, so the media device in use wasn't of the highest quality. I tested the recording by downloading it to my iPhone and with some standard head phones, I didn't have any problem making out pretty much everything that was said, but indeed, there is certainly background noise that comes into the foreground.

    The flip side is the fact that since it wasn't a standard, professional, staged interview, James is much more open in the conversation, and some interesting sound bites come out.

    We're transcribing it, so hold on so we can get the full interview out.

  4. Excuse me if I sound inpolite ...[ Go to top ]

    ... but is anyone actually listening to the stuff that this old man has to say. I always wondered about the cult of personalities in IT business. OK, it is nice gossip, but that's it, isn't it?

     

    Sorry again, but I had to say this.

  5. dont belittle yourself Sir James ![ Go to top ]

    About oracle -

    Ok we all understand that oracle is all about money - but isnt that what every corporation does ?

    You think SUN ( inlcuding the joker Scott McNealy ) was doing it all for good of society.

    I worked as a consultant in SUN for 19 months. It was full of managers and sales guys who were simply jerks. I had 3 managers. Yes one developer had 3 manager who were sittign in their office most of the day playing darts and goig to conferences. It went down because it wasnt managed well. It was just fat. Agree that oracle has the worst business pratices, but ATLEAST oracle knows how to manage and survive the "dot in the dot com".

    About IBM -

    And blaming IBM for naming their tool "eclipse".... come on ! What they named it had nothing to do with SUN setting down. Thats a stupid comment coming from James. Make me feel very little of James. Eclipse made java develoment more easy and language popular/fun. James should thank eclipse. Why didnt SUN come up with a tool like that since 1995. you knew everything about your language, why did you need someone else to create a tool to use your language. then you realized and made NetBeans. Same goes with tomcat vs. Glassfish. How long did it take you to come up with it ?

    About microsoft

    Copying sun spec - hey didnt you guys copy Ada and C++. and the whole RISC procesoor & the solaris - thats all copied from university projects also. In the software world everyhting improves on previous version like it or not. Call it a rip off or a honest copy. Would you call iPad a copy of sony walkman ? would you blame google for copying what mapquest did with static maps ???

    And give a credit to microsoft for their documentation. compare java docs to msdn documents. As a developer i would love to have the details and depth of MSDN site. Java docs never gave details about anything. all we get in java docs is one liner.

    James gosling = sour grapes !

  6. dont belittle yourself Sir James ![ Go to top ]

    About oracle -

    Ok we all understand that oracle is all about money - but isnt that what every corporation does ?

    You think SUN ( inlcuding the joker Scott McNealy ) was doing it all for good of society.

    I worked as a consultant in SUN for 19 months. It was full of managers and sales guys who were simply jerks. I had 3 managers. Yes one developer had 3 manager who were sittign in their office most of the day playing darts and goig to conferences. It went down because it wasnt managed well. It was just fat. Agree that oracle has the worst business pratices, but ATLEAST oracle knows how to manage and survive the "dot in the dot com".

    About IBM -

    And blaming IBM for naming their tool "eclipse".... come on ! What they named it had nothing to do with SUN setting down. Thats a stupid comment coming from James. Make me feel very little of James. Eclipse made java develoment more easy and language popular/fun. James should thank eclipse. Why didnt SUN come up with a tool like that since 1995. you knew everything about your language, why did you need someone else to create a tool to use your language. then you realized and made NetBeans. Same goes with tomcat vs. Glassfish. How long did it take you to come up with it ?

    About microsoft

    Copying sun spec - hey didnt you guys copy Ada and C++. and the whole RISC procesoor & the solaris - thats all copied from university projects also. In the software world everyhting improves on previous version like it or not. Call it a rip off or a honest copy. Would you call iPad a copy of sony walkman ? would you blame google for copying what mapquest did with static maps ???

    And give a credit to microsoft for their documentation. compare java docs to msdn documents. As a developer i would love to have the details and depth of MSDN site. Java docs never gave details about anything. all we get in java docs is one liner.

    James gosling = sour grapes !

    Not all docs from Microsoft are created equal. The docs for .NET API for example are horrendous compared to Javadocs on core java API. Documentation for microsoft office I would say is above average, since it's for end users.

  7. dont belittle yourself Sir James ![ Go to top ]

    I agree peter. Looking at it as a whole (including accessing docs from the code) jave is much better in thise area.

  8. Netbeans vs Eclipse[ Go to top ]

    With all due respect, Netbeans predated Eclipse by at least half a decade.

     

    As a former OS/2 user, I am attest to the evil that is IBM. They're playing a very ugly political game. When push comes to shove they don't give a damn about their users. Ever try reporting a bug against an IBM product? Sun might be bad, but IBM is far worse.

  9. About IBM -

    And blaming IBM for naming their tool "eclipse".... come on ! What they named it had nothing to do with SUN setting down. Thats a stupid comment coming from James. Make me feel very little of James. Eclipse made java develoment more easy and language popular/fun. James should thank eclipse. Why didnt SUN come up with a tool like that since 1995. you knew everything about your language, why did you need someone else to create a tool to use your language. then you realized and made NetBeans. Same goes with tomcat vs. Glassfish. How long did it take you to come up with it ?

     

    Actually Tomcat also cane out of Sun, it was the reference implementation of the servlet spec that was dontated and made into an appache project. It was until very recently atleast also staffed with some Sun employees.

    Cheers!

  10. I love the bibel like time references, (58:30)

  11. Wel...[ Go to top ]

    Well, it's a long interview, and I figured not everyone would have the time to listen to the whole thing. I figured a time reference or two might make it easy for people to move to the sections in which they were interested.

  12. Wel...[ Go to top ]

    Not knocking Cameron, that's just how it popped out to me :)  
  13. Gosling on SQL Databases (46:00): "Ya know, I’ve never 'got it' when it comes to SQL databases. It’s like 'why?' Just give me a hashtable and a shitload of RAM and I’m happy."

    Coming from the guy that gave us this century's COBOL... What's next, a show on Discovery Channel that John Browning was a pacifist? That Enzo Ferrari drove around in a horse buggy?

  14. > Gosling on SQL Databases (46:00):
    > "Ya know, I’ve never 'got it' when it comes to SQL databases.
    > It’s like
    'why?'
    > Just give me a hashtable and a shitload of RAM and I’m happy."

    Huh?  That may be fine if you don't need transaction semantics, don't require concurrent access by many to the same data, and don't care to write huge programs to do complex querying (or, alternatively, don't care to write your own query language + interpreter.

    What a sad statement to make ...

     

  15. On IBM & Eclipse[ Go to top ]

    I just came from JavaOne and noticed that most presenters from Oracle by way of Sun actually used Eclipse rather than NetBeans. Even in Kurian's keynote, one of the product/project manager he brought on stage was using Eclipse (end Kurian just made a statement a few minutes prior that Oracle wants all Java developers to be using NetBeans IDE).