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        <title>Ted Neward is...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I apologize for the misnomer &quot;propensity&quot;. I should have used &quot;background&quot; instead. And I see having knowledge of both sides of the battlefield as a very positive thing and am trying to do the same myself.]]></description>
        

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        <title>AspectWerkz</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I've just started looking at AspectWerkz, but it appears they have implemented your class mangling custom classloader idea.  So maybe it's doable after all... ;)...]]></description>
        

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        <title>Ted Neward is...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">Hold on a second there, Ted was formerly with DevelopMentor which was Don Box's company (the COM &amp; SOAP guy who is now a .Net architect at MS). I'd say he has a propensity towards MS.</div>...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Apr 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ted Neward</jf:author>
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        <title>Ted Neward is...</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hold on a second there, Ted was formerly with DevelopMentor which was Don Box's company (the COM &amp; SOAP guy who is now a .Net architect at MS). I'd say he has a propensity towards MS.]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Absolutely. They are (or can be) helpful constructs. What I challenge is the idea that multidimensional separation of concerns is a new (or even a very challenging) concept.  What I do not challenge is that its implementation is of course very...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jan 14, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Ahm, more of the ad hominem we all know and love (and not just on TSS)....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jan 2003 15:52:13 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Vlad Ender</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Basically that is crap. I never did claim that Java supports aspects, what I claimed is that aspects in itself tend to introduce a new programming language or provide little value at all. You might be surprised, I read a lot of these papers, played...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Jan 14, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Karl Banke</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[You convinced me, you don't get it....]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Greg Noel</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">And now back to your regularly scheduled grind, like the &gt; discussion of the best JSP based framework for handling &gt; MVC, thinking in new ways makes the brain hurt. </div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Ya, somewhat limited, they are making the valiant effort tho. I think that the non-neolanguage approach is better. In discussions with them, they are trying to show how small modifications to the JVM can be harvested to great benefit....]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Man, guess I'm convinced, there are no better way to engineer software than those that are currently the norm. Innovation might as well stop now, we've achieved the pinnacle....]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Greg Noel</jf:author>
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        <title>Pigeons</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Damn, shows you should never throw anything away. Back in the 70s on a project at Reuters (whose founder made his fortune from information carried by pigeon) we wrote a paper on pigeons as a transport mechanism. Our problem was that you could never find...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">Jeez, Deja vue all over again... </div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">dynamic aspect systems like Prose from </div>...]]></description>
        

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            <description><![CDATA[Jeez, Deja vue all over again......]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Greg Noel</jf:author>
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