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        <title>the noble thing.....</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[is that what javasoft was supposed to be?  I don't know the history- but javasoft is a operating unit under sun- so it obviously isn't independent.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:21:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Matthew Brown</jf:author>
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        <title>the noble thing.....</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[They could call it JavaSoft ;-)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:31:19 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
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        <title>the noble thing.....</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think that Sun should do the noble thing- spin off java and the management of it into its own organization, independent from Sun-give java to the people.  I'm quite certain that there would be no problem in finding sponsors for such an organization. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:07:42 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 20, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Matthew Brown</jf:author>
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        <title>worries for .NET</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Touching - I really appreciate your concern.
<br>
<br>Regards
<br>Rolf Tollerud]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:43:05 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:43:05 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 19, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
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        <title>More hype but watch out for commoditisation</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I remember back in the mid 90's when Microsofts MFC was the hot skill and I was told many times by fellow software engineers that the whole software business would switch to using Visual C++ and MFC.....I ignored this advice, stuck with UNIX, C++, learnt...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:29:20 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 19, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jonathan Sharp</jf:author>
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        <title>About Java</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[From big companies to all the universities, millions of people are using Java. How can it fall? It is just impossible! Even C# try to simulate Java and even MS try to add a VM to their platform. So the comment about Java is ridiculous....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:08:45 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 19, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jack jack</jf:author>
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        <title>Speculation: Sun, Dell, and Apple merger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[the only merit of windows is that it looks cool. if you don't count this, then... try redhat 8.0
<br>windows is NOT a good operating system. it is inferior.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2003 03:57:01 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 19, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>jack jack</jf:author>
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        <title>Speculation: Sun, Dell, and Apple merger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I'm using JDK 1.4.1 on both Linux and Solaris.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:38:49 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
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        <title>Speculation: Sun, Dell, and Apple merger</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[&lt;quote&gt;The problems I've had with nedit and jedit also exist when I run Gnome on Redhat 7.3. These problems do not exist on Solaris 8/SPARC so it definitely is a Linux issue, probably an issue with Redhat's distro.&lt;/quote&gt;...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:40:08 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Lars Fischer</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Is the Sun Rising or Falling?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[You get what you pay for. I have been using linux as my primary operating system for over a year and I have installed it on almost every computer I can get my hands on. While Linux on x86 is very stable and suits my needs perfectly (i.e. configurable...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:46:26 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aaron Anderson</jf:author>
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        <title>&amp;quot;Millions of .NET users&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[didn't you hear?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:09:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>aaron  evans</jf:author>
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        <title>Speculation: Sun, Dell, and Apple merger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I didn't mean this to be a thread on KDE, but it has shown some of the underlying problems that a Dell/Sun/Apple merger could solve....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:25:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dean Schulze</jf:author>
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        <title>Scott McNealy's Crux of the matter</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Actually, it could be very interesting if Sun acquired a company like RedHat ... they could theoretically buy back into everything they've failed on for the past couple of years....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:55:52 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
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        <title>Scott McNealy's Crux of the matter</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Chad hit the nail on the head....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:06:27 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Fred Ruopp</jf:author>
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        <title>Speculation: Sun, Dell, and Apple merger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=17939</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Apple has a PDF on File System Journaling in Mac OS X Server 10.2.2. See the link on this page:
<br>
<br><a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/" target="_newWindow">http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/</a>]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:45:23 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 18, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Craig Knelsen</jf:author>
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