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        <title>RAD Tools vs pure tools, and bitterness</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[&quot;Many of the anti-CF posts here seem to have this idea of CF-programmers as a lesser breed of programmers. CF certainly allows bad programmers to actually get stuff done, which has led to much spaghetti-code. Good programmers can actually use the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2005 20:57:14 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 1, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Oliver Reid</jf:author>
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        <title>ColdFusion Will Die when Java Dies from Web</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Hi,<br><br>CFML will die when Java Dies. Atleas that is what is the present Scenario. I started my career in CF3.0, then moved to PHP, Java and ASp, a CRM product called e-Point and now back to CFMX6.1. What an amazing change in CFML fromm 3.0 to MX. It...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:35:48 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2004 17:35:48 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Dec 9, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>sathish kumar</jf:author>
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        <title>What is that smell? .....</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[not sure, but it could be fear.<br><br>Over the past year or two, I think that small, yet extremely vocal sections of the Java community have become incredibly defensive of the language, to the point of spreading half-truths and in some cases, really,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:31:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:31:51 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Sep 27, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ray Offiah</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>CFML Programmer and proud of it</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I read all this talk about which is the best language for bigger or better applications, and believe me it makes e puke. I got into the business of designing web sites by chance and then into programming web applications by necessity.  Before I give you...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:34:55 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Sep 20, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Carlos Batista</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Has CF gotten any more stable? Tune your Coldfusion Website</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[The reasons your ColdFusion server bog down:<br>1)  Sql syntax coded in the cfml pages.  You needed to change all your sql syntaxes in cfml pages into stored procedures(Coldfusion MX server) at the database level.  Why?  It is because each request from...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:47:24 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 28, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Elijah Li</jf:author>
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        <title>CFML black book</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[How many CFMX developers use JDBC inside their cfm pages? How many books show you how to mix cfml code with java objects? And what about the java tools you need to build these apps? All this stuff is just not published and it is very much hidden but you...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:01:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>dan plesse</jf:author>
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        <title>to the experts</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[hi you experts, ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:42:07 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 17, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>asdfwe ergsdjk</jf:author>
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        <title>including jsps in cfml</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[hi you experts,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:05:35 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 16, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>asdfwe ergsdjk</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>cfml is not even xml compliant</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[This discussion will never end... But is very nice to see so much worry from the many specialists and &quot;gods of Java&quot; here... ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:38:52 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alex Hubner</jf:author>
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        <title>cfml is not even xml compliant</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I would now like to debunk the notion that, even as a mere tag library, cfml is a spectacularly poorly designed technology....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:53:19 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Chris Mountford</jf:author>
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        <title>Coldfusion = Crap</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<i> Look, you love Java. You hate CFML. Bad experiences, that's a shame. But CFML is (now) Java. And all your arguments about mixing business logic and presentation are just as easily held against poorly written apps. </i>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:34:00 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>charles arehart</jf:author>
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        <title>CFML == Custom tag library</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<i>What would be cool is a freely available, open source implementation of the CFML language, even a subset of it, like what's available with Cold Fusion Express.</i>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:31:44 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>charles arehart</jf:author>
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        <title>Coldfusion = Crap</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Well I'll be pulling your t-shirt from the mail, Thomas, that's for sure....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:13:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>charles arehart</jf:author>
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        <title>Coldfusion = Crap</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Why are we even talking Coldfusion on this site???  I've worked at 2 Forture 500 companies RECENTLY that have used CF and it sucks.  We had to rewrite the junk code into Java because of scalability and maintenance problems.  Here some reasons to ignore...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:30:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Thomas Richardson</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: CFML is only for beginners</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=20296</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<i>Extending your metaphor, yeah, Bentsen had a great, memorable soundbite, but he still lost the election.</i>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:54:04 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 15, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
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