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        <title>What Oracle think of BEA and IBM going &amp;quot;solo&amp;quot;....</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Oracle comments on the standardization process of SDO (IBM and BEA specify first, then hand-over to JCP for ratification), which in many ways are in line, with some of the more critical comments in this thread.<br><br>ORACLE'S JSR-REVIEW BALLOT COMMENT:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 05:00:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Rasmus Lund</jf:author>
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        <title>JSR 237 and JSR 236</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[JSR 237 - Work Manager for Application Servers...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2004 00:25:08 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Sean Sullivan</jf:author>
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        <title>JSR 235: Service Data Objects</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[JSR-235 
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        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2004 14:38:19 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Sean Sullivan</jf:author>
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        <title>Websphere 6.0</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Will Websphere 6 implement these specifications (WorkManager, Timer, SDO) ?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2004 14:23:48 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Sean Sullivan</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think there are just as many if not more plain JDBC applications out there than Entity Beans.  J2EE market share does not equal domain model market share.  I think certain applications need a domain model and others do not, once an architect determines...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2003 22:33:35 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Roland Barcia</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote"><div class="jive-quote">Fowler may prefer a Domain Model, but that does not mean that it is the dominent implementation in the market place. Fowler is an OO fundamentalist and OO fundamentalist prefer a domain model....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2003 17:20:31 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Jim Bedenbaugh</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Fowler may prefer a Domain Model, but that does not mean that it is the dominent implementation in the market place.  Fowler is an OO fundamentalist and OO fundamentalist prefer a domain model.  If Table Module is just a small niche, then .NET would be...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2003 15:07:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Roland Barcia</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I was speaking from a tooling perspective.  Currently, there are no standard tools for dragging a JDBC compoenent onto a JSP page to accomplish what Viusal Studio does with ASP/ADO.  (There are vensor specific tools, but not standard ones).  One could...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2003 14:59:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Roland Barcia</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Roland:...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:44:39 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 27, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jim Bedenbaugh</jf:author>
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        <title>No conspiracy here</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I don't see any conspiracy or ulterior motives here. ...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2003 09:34:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 27, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Kalyan Kolachala</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[&lt;!-- I think the community on these forums are not consistent. I think the J2EE spec was missing a solid Table Module implementatio to compete with ADO.  Also, if you think about combining Java Server Faces with SDO, tooling can drag a JSF control...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:58:44 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Rashid Jilani</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I think the community on these forums are not consistent.  I see many people bash the EJB spec and we need something better.  Then, IBM and BEA do something, and people do not like it. SDO is only a data access layer that implements the Table Module...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2003 21:29:48 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 26, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Roland Barcia</jf:author>
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        <title>IBM and BEA Partners in Crime, Announcing Joint Specifications</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<i>Eventually all the other usual suspects will be joining the JSR's, like SUNW, ORCL, IONA, SAP.  Everyone has the same voting power.  Do you think by then the process will remain as &quot;speedy&quot;?</i>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2003 18:40:47 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 26, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brian Miller</jf:author>
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        <title>Ulterior motive behind the spec</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Portal merely put lipstick on the pig.  There's barely any integration between each EJB application you develop....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:03:40 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 26, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Carlos Perez</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<i>they are just speeding up the process by ensuring that at least 2 major vendors already agree on what the feature is and what the interfaces should look like. It always seems like everyone is complaining about the slowness of the JCP. To me, this...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2003 17:02:04 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 26, 2003</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eric Ma</jf:author>
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