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        <title>I agree</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[ANT works fine when the projects are small.<br>One way is to keep project small by creating sub projects.<br><br>Why has not anyone tryed to create a ANT but expressed in Java not xml.<br>All developers know Java.<br>You could create java classes that...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:39:08 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:39:08 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2004 03:39:08 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Mar 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Halle G</jf:author>
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        <title>Can I see???</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Can I get a copy of your Ant scripts to see exactly what you are doing, especially the dependency checking that you do?  You can reach me at (813) 348-7313.  George]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:58:00 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:58:00 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2004 11:58:00 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Mar 5, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>George Willis</jf:author>
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        <title>Wow!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">I think so. Dependency != jar.</div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:16:04 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:16:04 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 17:16:04 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Steve Lewis</jf:author>
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        <title>Groovy Builds</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Or how about using Groovy? Using an AntBuilder, you get the best of both worlds: Ant builds within the context of a real programming language....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:57:25 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:57:25 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:57:25 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Craig Walls</jf:author>
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        <title>scons: a Software Construction tool</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[You can try scons: &quot;Configuration files are Python scripts--use the power of a real programming language to solve build problems.&quot;
<br>
<br><a href="http://www.scons.org/" target="_blank">http://www.scons.org/</a>]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:25:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:25:10 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 14:25:10 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eduardo Ito</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Complexity needs removing not managing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">With Ant I can't even manage complexity.</div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:14:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:14:29 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 13:14:29 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dirk Ludwig</jf:author>
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        <title>Complexity needs removing not managing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I agree. The dependency checking was one part of the system that should've been simplified. I just wish we had figured that one out much earlier. ;-)...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:51:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:51:10 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:51:10 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jon Tirsen</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Wow!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think so. Dependency != jar....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:54:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:54:02 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 22, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michal Maczka</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Wow!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<div class="jive-quote">2. Ant dependency declarations are backways. I need to register subprojects with the master. What's that about? JUnit makes the same mistake...</div>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:41:38 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:41:38 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Steve Lewis</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Complexity needs removing not managing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Interesting post.  We're developing our build system, copied from another group in the same company....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:36:25 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:36:25 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:36:25 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Steve Lewis</jf:author>
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        <title>Wow!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
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        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:35:46 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill de h?ra</jf:author>
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        <title>Complexity needs removing not managing</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
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        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:20:32 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill de h?ra</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Complex build systems need a real language</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I tend to sympathize with the assertion since certainly as my build scripts have grown in complexity, I have found that I would greatly benefit from the same structuring functionality commonly found in general purpose scripting languages that support...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:06:58 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:06:58 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:06:58 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>didge at atac.net</jf:author>
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        <title>Wow!</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Wow Chris, your post is like a ray of sunshine in a dark and dismal world....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:35:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:35:33 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hani Suleiman</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Opinion: Complex build systems need a real language</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=23426</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[There are two separte aspects of complex build system...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:23:40 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:23:40 -0500</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:23:40 -0500</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jan 21, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michal Maczka</jf:author>
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