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        <title>The working world is hugly in favor if J2EE</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[When it comes to production quality, highly scalable and flexible web applications, J2EE can not be beat!  Our .Net folks work on smallish systems for our smaller customers and are on the bench much more often than our J2EE developers, who we can't get...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2005 20:31:35 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 3, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David McClanahan</jf:author>
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        <title>Standard assembly/deployment descriptors</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Just throwing this out there since the topic is simplification.  What if all those Application server Specific xml files were all the same across application servers.  CS always loves another layer of abstraction, so<br>why not let the Application server...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:12:47 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andy Stefancik</jf:author>
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        <title>.NET Kool-Aid</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Let me be the first then to give you some advice when you enter the &quot;working world&quot; of enterprise software development...  helping to make the transition from Visio diagramming to &quot;Real World&quot; implementation.<br><br>First, look within...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2004 12:23:44 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 24 May 2004 12:23:44 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>May 24, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Troy Haaland</jf:author>
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        <title>Some Complexity is OK</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Good article !<br><br>Complexity is good for high paid developers and consultants like us and why worry]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:00:01 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2004 13:00:01 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 30, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Kunu Babu</jf:author>
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        <title>Some Complexity is OK</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think some complexity is inevitable (and perhaps welcome) in J2EE as it tries to address inherently complex domain of enterprise applications. Such applications generally tend to orchestrate systems and devices as disparate as Mainframes and ERP...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:53:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2004 01:53:51 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 14, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bimalesh Jha</jf:author>
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        <title>who was it?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[who was it that said &quot;I was wrong? about J2EE&quot;<br><br>Well, one thing is at absolutly certain, 100%  percent secure, <br>and cast in stone.<br><br>It was not Cameron!<br><br>:))<br><br>Regards<br>Rolf Tollerud]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:07:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:07:17 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>no wait, I found it out myself</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Rolf: <i>&quot;I was wrong&quot; (about J2EE)</i><br><br>Yes, we've been telling you that all along ;-)<br><br>Peace,<br><br>Cameron Purdy<br><a href="http://www.tangosol.com/" target="_blank">Tangosol, Inc.</a><br><a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:37:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Cameron Purdy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Well... Yes, but No</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Although I agree that J2EE community could do better with tools that could make the life easier for us all.  We all would also love to improve the APIs, get better in terms of performance, flexible designs, efficient development process, ... the list...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 15:10:34 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Prakash anthony</jf:author>
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        <title>Partially agree</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think the first Big step to mature the whole J2EE model will involve retiring the existing Servlet request/response model.<br>Servlets in a sense act only as an HTTP Adaptor to the whole J2EE technology.It is time we started thinking of some generic...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:42:00 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 11:42:00 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Nagg rao</jf:author>
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        <title>no wait, I found it out myself</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[IMO, it must be the 3 very small but difficult to pronounce words:<br><br>&quot;I was wrong&quot; (about J2EE)<br><br>Regards<br>Rolf Tollerud]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:08 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:37:08 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>the art of complicating life for oneself</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Pascal: <i>&quot;So, if your application is a simple, not-so-strategic one, yes, at the moment, Visual Studio and .Net could be a better answser than J2EE. This is the very reason why Java Server Faces is a key technology: with JSF, editors and open...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:21:11 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:21:11 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 2, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rolf Tollerud</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>What is an application?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I wonder if some of the complexities of J2EE application servers have to do with the very concept of &quot;application&quot;. An application traditionally has been something  that is written and compiled by developers, deployed by administrators or...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:58:21 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>aljeru</jf:author>
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        <title>Nightmare?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Yes and in J2EE assembling, deploying and migrating is a nightmare even with *experienced* developersCheersRavi</blockquote>I don't know what your definition of a nightmare is, but on every J2EE project I've worked on, I've either setup the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:25:42 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:25:42 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jim LoVerde</jf:author>
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        <title>J2EE Sucks</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> where ROI and productivity is paramount. Whereas J2EE vendors are targeting just 'developers'. - bibin</blockquote>What development shop has anyone been a part of where ROI and productivity is NOT paramount? Geeze...<br><br>The problems J2EE...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:19:54 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Leif Ashley</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Why J2EE is so complex</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=24823</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Sometimes its like cooking a good meal. You can use the best ingredients and still the cooking result can be terrible. A little bit too much salt can ruin everything.<br><br>Cola: tastes good. Ketchup: tastes good. Cola &amp; Ketchup mixed: terrible! Or...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:35:06 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2004 10:35:06 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Apr 1, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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