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        <title>new dog or old dog I wonder who is teaching who</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Communism was never never really implemented in any place in the World and on paper looks much better then in pratice.</blockquote>IMHO this is an oximoron sentence, right?]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Antonio Gallardo</jf:author>
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        <title>Don't want to get sued: was - Not invented here</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Henrique, I agree completely, and that's where my own question comes in: given what you've said, why would you want to use it?  Is a generic license going to adequately and unambiguosly serve the needs of the authors and users?  My opinion is, no, it's...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Mike, IANAL, but AFAIK these definitions must remain generic on the license in order to be &quot;future-proof&quot;. It would be impossible to enumerate every possible way of linking and distributing software in today's technology, even less with ones...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 15:50:33 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 4, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henrique Steckelberg</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Chris: GPL and LPGL are not contracts.  There is no meeting of the minds because no one negotiates these things.  &quot;Customers&quot; of JBoss or some other (L)GPL work do not get together and hammer out a contract - you just get a license, and you...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 14:26:38 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 4, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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        <title>IT land does care</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I don't concur, Chris.  Copyright defines things like fair use - and tends to define this in the sense of &quot;public&quot; distribution.  On fair use of copying computer programs and similar materials, you're allowed to create archive copies and that's...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 14:20:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Problem in case of LGPL and Java is, what FSF says about their &quot;original intent&quot; is mostly irrelevant because its an afterthought.  LGPL is older than Java and never really was designed for such circumstances.  Trying to readapt to this new...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 14:09:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 4, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Te Vo</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[The &quot;original intent&quot; of the authors of a contract is almost always considered if there is a question as to what a contract means.  So, what the FSF says about a license is very relevant.  If a case ever appeared before a judge which...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 13:50:48 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>May 4, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Chris Conrad</jf:author>
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        <title>IT land does care</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I said the term &quot;distribution&quot; works exactly the same way.  When dealing with copyright law it's a legal term with a well defined definition.  Trying to claim that any license is confusing because it doesn't define the term...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Chris Conrad</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[No, IANAL.  That doesn't mean I don't have a brain - or that I haven't consulted with some lawyers along the way.<br><br>Your take on the FSF's license author's intent is interesting.  What you are telling me is that I need to know to go out and find...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Unfortunately Bill, an FSF interpretation does not have any sort of legal binding.  To be frank, FSF people  can and do say what they want to &quot;interpret&quot; a license but it means zero, zip, nada to courts.  Just because a blowhard...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2004 03:26:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Unfortunately Bill, an FSF interpretation does not have any sort of legal binding.  To be frank, FSF people  can and do say what they want to &quot;interpret&quot; a license but it means zero, zip, nada to courts.  Just because a blowhard declares a...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>LGPL and BSD can coexist just as proprietary closed source and LGPL can coexist.  Your problem is with the rules forced upon you by the Apache Foundation, not with any legal licensing issues.</blockquote>I'm not so sure it's that...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>May 4, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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        <title>IT land does care</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[OK Chris - tell me how software works &quot;exactly the same way&quot; for closed source software.  Knock yourself out explaining how an Osmon song and 50,000 lines of source code can be treated in the same manner.<br><br>Sorry if this confuses...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Mike Spille</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>LGPL and BSD can coexist just as proprietary closed source and LGPL can coexist.  Your problem is with the rules forced upon you by the Apache Foundation, not with any legal licensing issues.</blockquote>I'm not so sure it's that simple.  Can...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>May 3, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David Blevins</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote><blockquote>In their mind, we are just as bad as Microsoft -- perhaps worse for &quot;derailing&quot; the FSF agenda.</blockquote>Man, you have swallowed a whole lot of religion. Go take a break, will you?</blockquote>These aren't...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>May 3, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bill Burke</jf:author>
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