Support Forums: Message List - Politically Charged EJB Decision Hands a Victory to JBoss http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 04:30:43 -0400 Re: Square Peg in a Round Hole http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 Frankly, I believe that JDO is overly complex. Having only one object mapping standard, namely JDO, may itself add to the perception that J2EE is overly complex.Though I hope this thread remains dead, I wanted to note that I...]]> Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:32:01 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:32:01 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 21:32:01 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 Abe White 0 back from vacation http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348
When I attended the presentation given by Gavin King and Marc Fleury in Raleigh on May 17, I did not know...]]> Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:58:32 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:58:32 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:58:32 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 David Jordan 0 Re: Square Peg in a Round Hole http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 (Disclaimer: I have experience using EJBs, but not much personal experience using either Hibernate or JDO. I am glad that Hibernate and JDO have finally unjammed the EJB thought train of "We make application development harder."...]]> Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:45:57 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:45:57 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:45:57 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 Cameron Purdy 0 Re: Square Peg in a Round Hole http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:26:12 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:26:12 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:26:12 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 Tom Davies 0 Re: Square Peg in a Round Hole http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 (6) No fancy features that can only be supported by bytecode enhancement.The FULL "transparent persistence spec" should be implementable withoutbytecode enhancement.Someone may answer "JDO can do all that", to which I may...]]> Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:25:11 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:25:11 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 20:25:11 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 Tom Davies 1 Re: Square Peg in a Round Hole http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348
You wrote:
I am still waiting to hear more about why we need two object mapping standards, especially ones with significant overlap. Having two will only add to the perception that J2EE is too complex. I would like to hear more...]]> Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:32 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:32 -0400 Wed, 09 Jun 2004 19:29:32 -0400 Jun 9, 2004 Evan Ireland 4 smaller is better and more beautiful http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 .It should be enough to notice that, hibernate.jar is 793Kb, kodo.-jdo-runtime.jar is 2828Kb.
JDX OR-Mapper runtime jar is less than 450Kb....]]> Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:24:53 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:24:53 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 12:24:53 -0400 Jun 8, 2004 Damodar Periwal 0 Ara.... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 This is good, but you need work with JSR-220 and JSR-243 people, if...]]> Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:20:14 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:20:14 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 10:20:14 -0400 Jun 8, 2004 javierpaniza 0 smaller is better and more beautiful http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 It should be enough to notice that,

hibernate.jar is 793Kb,
kodo.-jdo-runtime.jar is 2828Kb.

Also be welcome to compare spring.jar (825Kb)...]]> Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:07:51 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:07:51 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 08:07:51 -0400 Jun 8, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 1 Ara.... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348
Guys. why its so difficult answering Bill Willis question?

Pratheep P]]> Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:20:58 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:20:58 -0400 Tue, 08 Jun 2004 04:20:58 -0400 Jun 8, 2004 pratheep p 2 Ara.... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 No way Ara, I won't make anymore statements in public. Every time I say anything here or on my blog, I am the subject of personal attacks and smears, lies and misquotes, the works. I won't respond to this ridiculous horsehit article or any...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:28:05 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:28:05 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 21:28:05 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Bill Willis 0 Ara.... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348
So perhaps someone will be kind enough to tell me where our abstraction level falls short?Kind regards, Robin.
Gavin and the members of the EJB3 spec are the people who could do this, in public and in a detailed and...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:42:58 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:42:58 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 17:42:58 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Gavin King 5 Politically Charged EJB Decision Hands a Victory to JBoss http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348
If you read the article carefully, you will notice it is pretty much exclusiveley about JDO and very little about EJB (or only to disparage it and insult the profesionalism of the EJB Experts Group).Personally, I find this article...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:11:14 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:11:14 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 14:11:14 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Cedric Beust 0 Politically Charged EJB Decision Hands a Victory to JBoss http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 The choose for EntityBeans in that epoch was because it was
the only standar for object persistence in the moment.

I have used neither Hibernate nor JDO ever, so I...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:01:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:01:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 11:01:32 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 javierpaniza 0 Politically Charged EJB Decision Hands a Victory to JBoss http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26348 I find it interesting that you and the other anti-JDO folks only respond to flawed arguments from the JDO folks and choose to ignore some very relevant and technical questions, comments, and arguments from JDO experts.
I see it...]]> Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:57:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:57:32 -0400 Mon, 07 Jun 2004 07:57:32 -0400 Jun 7, 2004 Juozas Baliuka 0