Support Forums: Message List - Opinion: You Call That An Elephant? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 13:16:04 -0400 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 I hope I've been able to clarify a few points...JuergenYes you have. I see things I did not consider before, and this makes me more interested in the concepts. I truly appreciate your effort!

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Mike C]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:39:24 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:39:24 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:39:24 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Mike Conway 0 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759
Phew, a lot of points to respond to :-)
The code you write for Spring has many dependencies and assumptions buit in, this may appear simplistic, but I'm interested in reactions.-It requires the presence of an XML config file...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:19:36 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:19:36 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:19:36 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Juergen Hoeller 1 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Constructor and Setter Injection should be supported by a good IoC container. Both mechanisms rely on pure Java language features.
I'm studying Spring right now. I'm honestly trying to work all of this out. I have to say I find...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:22:56 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:22:56 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:22:56 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Mike Conway 2 Good post... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759
Now, I get to take a shot at a gross characterization.
You forgot one tribe: Those that can distinguish between an elephant and a chicken and know at what time to hunt which of the two beasts. They will hunt the...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:29:18 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:29:18 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:29:18 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Bruce Tate 0 Gross Characterization http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Now, I get to take a shot at a gross characterization.You forgot one tribe: Those that can distinguish between an elephant and a chicken and know at what time to hunt which of the two beasts. They will hunt the elephant when...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:47:49 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:47:49 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:47:49 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Lars Stitz 1 Mike, you missed it. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759
- EJB are wrong for everyone
- J2EE is evil
- Entity beans are the only problem
- JNDI, by itself, is hard (maybe harder and heavier than it needs to be...)
- you should adopt a technology without a...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:07:03 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:07:03 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:07:03 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Bruce Tate 2 Opinion: You Call That An Elephant? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 What we need are lightweight stateful objects with persistence and locking and search and rollback capabilities. And it'd be nice if they were scalable.

You're not the only one who feels that way ;-)

(However, there are no...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:12:47 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:12:47 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:12:47 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Cameron Purdy 0 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Any thoughts, then, on what a specification of a "standard" IoC container should include? Any services that a IoC container should provide, or best practices it should definitely follow?I think that services are...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:20 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:20 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:59:20 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Rod Johnson 0 Opinion: You Call That An Elephant? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Perhaps I am some sort of super-genius, but I've never found JNDI or JMS or stateless session beans very difficult to understand or program to.I'm even smarter ;-)), because I use and like to use even entity EJBs as well. With a...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:41:09 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:41:09 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 05:41:09 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Mike Skorik 0 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759
...getting the Spring/Pico/Avalon faction to agree on a standard way of injection will be very difficult, if not impossible
I've talked a lot to the Pico guys, and we agree that both Constructor and Setter Injection...]]> Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:36:56 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:36:56 -0400 Thu, 24 Jun 2004 04:36:56 -0400 Jun 24, 2004 Lars Stitz 1 Opinion: You Call That An Elephant? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:12:19 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:12:19 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:12:19 -0400 Jun 23, 2004 Aaron Evans 1 Lightweight container and JBoss http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 Well, you do not need to use all things, that are in specification, but when you are working on EJB container, you need to add ALL things that are in specification to the container. So removing entity beans out of specification results in...]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:16:03 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:16:03 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:16:03 -0400 Jun 23, 2004 Bill Burke 0 you have to try new stuff http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759
I've learned quite a bit from following The Server Side, evaluating a given...]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:48:39 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:48:39 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:48:39 -0400 Jun 23, 2004 David McCoy 0 Lightweight container http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 ...getting the Spring/Pico/Avalon faction to agree on a standard way of injection will be very difficult, if not impossibleI've talked a lot to the Pico guys, and we agree that both Constructor and Setter Injection should be...]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:32:34 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:32:34 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:32:34 -0400 Jun 23, 2004 Rod Johnson 5 i thought so too http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=26759 I seem to recall that Mike Spille asked TheServerSide and TMC to refrain from linking to his blog.I thought so too.]]> Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:35:40 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:35:40 -0400 Wed, 23 Jun 2004 05:35:40 -0400 Jun 23, 2004 Twice Tshwenyane 0