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        <title>Bruce Eckel Talk: Java Issues &amp;amp; Directions</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Now that I have taken a look at the generics for the first time, I have to agree with Bruce. The Java generics are really just an automatic type casting mechanism and have nothing to do with true 'templates' like they are called in C++. <br><br>The fact...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:14:18 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2004 08:14:18 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 14, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tero Vaananen</jf:author>
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        <title>Transcript</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Part of it can be found in the following links<br><a href="http://mindview.net/WebLog/log-0050" target="_blank">http://mindview.net/WebLog/log-0050</a><br><a href="http://mindview.net/WebLog/log-0051"...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:56:40 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2004 20:56:40 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 13, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sylvain Cote</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Python infection</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[And what about Groovy? ;-)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:37:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2004 01:37:39 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 13, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Antonio Gallardo</jf:author>
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        <title>Python infection</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Correct-me if I'm wrong but He uses python late binding and C++ templates to compare with Java generics.</blockquote>Generics aside he also went into some more discussion and controversy about the dynamic (late binding) vs. statically typed...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:44:17 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:44:17 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alper Cugun</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Python use case</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Python is not for Enterprise and there's no doubt in that. It's control language, integration tool, quick and dirty, there's no intention to swallow Java with Python.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:40:39 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:40:39 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:40:39 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrius Paulauskas</jf:author>
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        <title>Python-virus infection</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I agree about the fluff and I can vouch that it comes from Eckel being infected by the Python-virus.<br>.</blockquote>Correct-me if I'm wrong but He uses python late binding and C++ templates to compare with Java generics.<br><br>He didn't...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:15:45 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 10:15:45 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Geraldo Lopes de Souza</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Transcript</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Couldn't someone watch it and transcribe it? I know this sounds like work, but it would be worth it.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:48:41 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Craig Pfeifer</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>I agree about the fluff</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I agree about the fluff and I can vouch that it comes from Eckel being infected by the Python-virus.<br><br>Python really is something else and the general philosophy of the language is that types are not really necessary if you have really clear code...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:57:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:57:02 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alper Cugun</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>His dynamic typing argument remains kind of fluffy</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I think it is very trivial to decide and there is no problems with both ways,<br>if you write shell script or some utility for text processing or to copy blobs aka files then you do not need any types and any scripting language is better for you than...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:42:36 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
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        <title>His dynamic typing argument remains kind of fluffy</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I am developing with Java almost 5 years and the notion of static typing was always a good thing for me. Yes, it makes code more readable, but a motivation behind dynamic typing, as much as I can say now (I've never used dynamic typed language, but I'm...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:10:48 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 06:10:48 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrius Paulauskas</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>His dynamic typing argument remains kind of fluffy</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I have been a long time fan of Bruce Eckel, actually since the first &quot;Thinking in C++&quot; edition and I agree with a lot of what he says in his talk there. However, there's this static vs. dynamic typing issue that he has been going on for quite a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:51:02 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 05:51:02 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>aljeru</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>7</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Generics = Specifics</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I can not see this video, but it was article about this &quot;JAVA generics flaw&quot;.<br>As I understand this flaw does not exist and Bruce is wrong (or I  missunderstand this problem), see javadoc for java.lang.reflect.ParameterizedType]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:05:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2004 04:05:34 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Juozas Baliuka</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Re: Better web app framework.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I bet there is a web app framework with something like this somewhere...</blockquote>You're so right. There is one. We are using Tapestry for our new application and we are immensely happy with this choice. The only problem -- it is so much...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:16:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:16:13 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 11, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Roustem Karimov</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Generics = Specifics</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[If you've seen the video, Bruce talks about specifics of Java generics and how it's implemented inside the JVM. Backwards compatibility makes generics &quot;erased&quot; so the type information is lost and the only thing you get is compile time type...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:59:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 13:59:34 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jul 11, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Andrius Paulauskas</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Multiple Classpaths/Classloaders in Java</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27239</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Just recently I had to work with an existing Struts/JSP-based application where the standard was to use Java string constants everywhere, including JSP pages. Now, this certainly provides compile-time checking (even though JSPs are compiled...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:08:04 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:08:04 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2004 12:08:04 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Jul 11, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bostjan Dolenc</jf:author>
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