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        <title>The current STATE_SAVING_METHOD of JSF</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I've been searching for discussions like this to get an answer to one of my own problems with the spec: the STATE_SAVING_METHOD=client parameter.<br><br>Because of this, all of your 'JSF requests' must be generated from a form POST. I think JSF would be...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 23:28:43 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Dan Ludwig</jf:author>
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        <title>No JSP Necessary</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Sure you don't. So, let's see... I want to start developing a JSF app now, without using JSP. Hmmm. Where do I start? Ooops, need to make an view implementation for another templating method first. JSF and JSP will be a tight pair until there is at least...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 06:39:13 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Sep 11, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Eelco Hillenius</jf:author>
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        <title>No JSP Necessary</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[You do not need JSP AT ALL to work with JSF. Granted it seems to be Sun's preferred templating method, but nontheless, it is in no way necessary to use JSF. <br><br>There is an article on the web somewhere (I think it's on OnJava.com maybe <a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:45:49 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Tom Cole</jf:author>
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        <title>We need to move beyond html/javascript and browsers</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[And so say all of us :-)<br><br>I saw an earlier reply talking about moving over to the dark side (Windows/.NET), not sure if they were referrring to GUIs or web stuff.  I can only see a future for simple web applications that as you say provide simple...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2004 22:53:10 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 17, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Neil Morrison</jf:author>
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        <title>The current state of JSF</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The web designer can apply CSS; what's wrong with that?  (Maybe I'm missing your point)</blockquote>U r speaking abt styling.(maybe i shudnt have said look and feel)...lets say, he wanted to rearrange the sub-components that make up the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:55:33 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 14, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>NullPtr !</jf:author>
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        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>I dont really see the problems and if they are there they must be small and can probably be solved... where are the major problems in jsf?</blockquote>web designer still remains unhappy...tough to change look and feel of a jsf...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 14 Aug 2004 04:52:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 14, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jason Cone</jf:author>
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        <title>The current state of JSF</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I dont really see the problems and if they are there they must be small and can probably be solved... where are the major problems in jsf?</blockquote>web designer still remains unhappy...tough to change look and feel of a jsf component :(]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 18:32:57 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 13, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>NullPtr !</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>There's a lot of tool support for Entity Beans as well, and that's all I have to say on that.</blockquote>I can't see where ejb fits into this discussion. I've heard over and over again that ejb have som major problems. It's difficult to work...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:17:18 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 13, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>simon says</jf:author>
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        <title>The current state of JSF</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>There's a lot of tool support for Entity Beans as well, and that's all I have to say on that.</blockquote>There has also been more adoption of entity beans than the anti-EJB crowd would care to believe :-).Craig</blockquote>thats...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:06:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>NullPtr !</jf:author>
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        <title>The current state of JSF</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>There's a lot of tool support for Entity Beans as well, and that's all I have to say on that.</blockquote>There has also been more adoption of entity beans than the anti-EJB crowd would care to believe :-).<br><br>Craig]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:05:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Craig McClanahan</jf:author>
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        <title>The current state of JSF</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote> In the three *months* after JSF went final, we saw announcements, and early deliveries, of tools of all sizes that support JSF, and a clear market direction that this will increase.  To me, that's a good early indicator that JSF -- even the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:24:19 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jason Carreira</jf:author>
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        <title>Separation of model and view</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I agree totally, I dont like JSP because you have to put some kind of logic inside the template and for doing that you have to learn about special tags, such as tag iterators, logic tags, components tags, etc. This is not a true seperation between logic...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:14:44 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Fernando Petrola</jf:author>
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        <title>A Reply to Matt's Rant</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I did not count setup time and have implied that the project in question is not first project that a developer does with mentioned technologies. </blockquote>As a mater of fact, thats the same strategy I follow for each new project. That's...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:12:12 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>javier castanon</jf:author>
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        <title>CodeWay</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[sorry, that was my first post here :)<blockquote>do you honestly see a competing tool on the java market anytime soon? Both eclipse and idea take the CodeWay to creating solutions.</blockquote>The Eclipse Visual Editor <a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:07:26 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Marcus Beyer</jf:author>
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        <title>CodeWay</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=27962</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>do you honestly see a competing tool on the java market anytime soon? Both eclipse and idea take the CodeWay to creating solutions.</blockquote>The Eclipse Visual Editor &lt;&lt;a href=&quot;<a class="jive-link-external"...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:05:31 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Aug 12, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Marcus Beyer</jf:author>
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