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        <title>syntactic sugar?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't like &quot;autoboxing&quot; and &quot;static import&quot;... syntax sugar ...arghh...</blockquote>Just curious, do you consider the normal import of packages undesirable as well? That is syntactic sugar too, right? How do you feel...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:48:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:48:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Sep 17, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jens Wyke</jf:author>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>There's also Eclipse. That's about as open as Netbeans and has a huge developer following.</blockquote>Yes. They've thrown money to the open-source community to develop for them something to replace their VisualAge for Java. Then they've used...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:34:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:34:25 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 03:34:25 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 17, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jean-Pol Landrain</jf:author>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Yes. Of course they contribute and they are a supporter of Java (against Microsoft), but they're still very shy in the open source market. Java is a major advantage for Sun when selling their hardware. They've created it and now IBM wants to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:36:50 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:36:50 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:36:50 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 17, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jim Hazen</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>mixins</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I actually think that static imports begin to lend Java towards things like mixin functionality that you see in languages like Ruby, but it still has a long way to go.</blockquote>How sad that Java lacks mixins.  Surely mixins can achieved...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:05:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:05:34 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 11:05:34 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brian Miller</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[i guess IBM did open the door for the discussion of open source java once again.<br><br>_can_ ibm open source their jdk/jre? and call it a jdk/jre?  my understanding is that the test suites (tdk?) one must pass to be called a &quot;jdk/jre&quot; vendor...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:47:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:47:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:47:22 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>mark lybarger</jf:author>
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        <title>&amp;quot;autoboxing&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;static import&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I agree. Java will become much less readable and much more prone to bugs after version 5.0 is released. For the syntax of the language, they should have downgraded the version identifier from 1.5 to 0.95 : static imports are...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:32:16 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 07:32:16 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Calum Shaw-Mackay</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>1</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>&amp;quot;autoboxing&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;static import&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Too much syntax sugar can get you semantic diabetes... :)</blockquote>I agree. Java will become much less readable and much more prone to bugs after version 5.0 is released. For the syntax of the language, they should have downgraded the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:19:51 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:19:51 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 04:19:51 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jean-Pol Landrain</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>You mean other than, Jikes, WSDP, alphaworks, and many developerworks projects?</blockquote>Yes. Of course they contribute and they are a supporter of Java (against Microsoft), but they're still very shy in the open source market. Java is a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:57:25 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:57:25 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 03:57:25 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jean-Pol Landrain</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>2</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>I love hack OO and real OO</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Yeah,I feel a language should be simple. Adding lots and lots of language features will make reading code difficult.May be we should develop atleast one more language for the JVM and have features like auto boxing and static imports put into...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:26:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:26:34 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Sep 16, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Travis Berthelot</jf:author>
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        <title>&amp;quot;autoboxing&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;static import&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>I don't like &quot;autoboxing&quot; and &quot;static import&quot;... syntax sugar ...arghh...</blockquote>Too much syntax sugar can get you semantic diabetes... :)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:21:19 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:21:19 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 21:21:19 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Henrique Steckelberg</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>3</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>&amp;quot;autoboxing&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;static import&amp;quot;</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I don't like &quot;autoboxing&quot; and &quot;static import&quot;... syntax sugar ...arghh...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:49:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:49:46 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Deivson Rayner Teixeira da Costa</jf:author>
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        <title>AlphaWorks isnt open source</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Read the alphaWorks comercial license, its far from opensource. But I agree to all your other items.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:10 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:10 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:04:10 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Aafjg Moiuhy</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[&quot;Can I suggest to IBM to open source their software before asking the others to do it ?&quot;<br><br>You mean other than, Jikes, WSDP, alphaworks, and many developerworks projects?  So they're not going to open source DB2, big deal.  They definitely...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:00:22 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:00:22 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:00:22 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jim Hazen</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>4</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>Will they fix 1.5 before GA?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.thauvin.net/blog/index.jsp" target="_blank">http://www.thauvin.net/blog/index.jsp</a><br><br>See the web start error?<br>.V<br><br>(ps: and the other list of issue no addressed<br><a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:00:56 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:00:56 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:00:56 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Vic Cekvenich</jf:author>
        <jf:replyCount>0</jf:replyCount>
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        <title>JCP Watch: Busy busy. Ballots in for Tiger</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=28750</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Sorry, wrong quote in previous message. Read this one instead :<blockquote>IBM's vote is based on the technical merits of this JSR and is not a vote on the licensing terms.  IBM supports licensing models that create an open and level playing field by...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:59:21 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:59:21 -0400</jf:creationDate>
        <jf:modificationDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:59:21 -0400</jf:modificationDate>
        <jf:date>Sep 15, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jean-Pol Landrain</jf:author>
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