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        <title>open up and say XAML</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[What a larf, MS's architect said:<br>&quot;developers hate systems that force XML to be more than data.&quot; His answer: XAML (Extensible Application Markup Language), which &quot;provides a format to facilitate between developers and designers … a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:05:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 28, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brian McKendrick</jf:author>
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        <title>Data is IT's raison d'etre</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Reminds me of one of my favorite passages from the paper 'The Trillion-Node Network' by Peter Lucas of Maya Design Group:<blockquote>In fact, I will argue that, through all the history of electronic information processing, we have succeeded exactly twice...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:39:20 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:39:20 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Assmund Wowona</jf:author>
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        <title>Lisp?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Any old lisper hanging out here?  Do you feel that XML data could be more easily (and in much more compact fashion) represented by Lisp list.  Parsing Lisp list was always the easiest thing to do (just a simple stack machine for syntax).  May be more...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:27:15 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:27:15 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>K S</jf:author>
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        <title>Data: Ever present, ever problematic</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Someone wrote the following over <a href="http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-09-2000/jw-0908-validation_p.html" target="_blank">there</a><br><i><br>Data: Ever present, ever problematic <br>data has become the commodity in today's global marketplace....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:38:46 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jose Nyimi</jf:author>
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        <title>code or process?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Picking up on a quote from the article where the delegates stated that &quot;data outlasts the code&quot;, I think that a better comparison is between data and process. Code models processes after all. Just because the code has changed or been ditched...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:14:08 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 26 Oct 2004 06:14:08 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 26, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Myles Jeffery</jf:author>
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        <title>good summary of some limitations</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I have to say that is a good summary of the limitations I've also come across. Though I've heard excuses from those pro Schema that schema wasn't intended for that purpose. Which in that case, makes me wonder what XMLSchema is good for and why some many...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:49:24 -0400</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:49:24 -0400</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>peter lin</jf:author>
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        <title>XML developers push for simplicity at XML conference</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I am sick and tired of hearing pros and cons of XML and XSD from industry experts. First it was simple and meant to serialize data, and then they added every dialect possible in this world and now they are saying it is complex. Whose fault is that?...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:54:30 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rashid Jilani</jf:author>
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        <title>Look back to EDI</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[All you have to do is look back (or forward you could argue) to EDI to see where the definencies come into play.  Everytime you go to your doctor in the states and an insurance claim is filed, and X12N EDI transaction is sent to the insurance company to...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:52:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David Wolf</jf:author>
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        <title>One feature I would like</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[For the last 4 years, I've been using schema, DTD and XML in one form or another. Most recently, I needed to be able to extend an existing class, which is not defined within schema. JAXB has this capability, which makes it nice if I need extra stuff in...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:13:15 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>peter lin</jf:author>
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        <title>XML developers push for simplicity at XML conference</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<a href="http://www.yaml.org" target="_blank">http://www.yaml.org</a>]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:05:34 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Rodolfo  de Paula</jf:author>
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        <title>Relax-NG vs XMLSchema</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[The compact version of <a href="http://www.relaxng.org/" target="_blank">Relax-NG</a> is much easier to work with than XMLSchema.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:35:15 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Scott Ferguson</jf:author>
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        <title>XML developers push for simplicity at XML conference</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>One weakness upon which most presenters agree is the ineffectiveness of XML Schema, which Tim Bray, director of Web technologies at Sun Microsystems (and co-inventor of XML), described as &quot;totally beyond its 'sell by'...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:30:32 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sean Sullivan</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>One weakness upon which most presenters agree is the ineffectiveness of XML Schema, which Tim Bray, director of Web technologies at Sun Microsystems (and co-inventor of XML), described as &quot;totally beyond its 'sell by'...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:28:46 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>aljeru</jf:author>
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        <title>XML developers push for simplicity at XML conference</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>One weakness upon which most presenters agree is the ineffectiveness of XML Schema, which Tim Bray, director of Web technologies at Sun Microsystems (and co-inventor of XML), described as &quot;totally beyond its 'sell by' date.&quot;...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:53:54 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Martin  Devlin</jf:author>
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        <title>Missile systems?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29604</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[LOL. I doubt WS-Security addresses these issues.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:16:50 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Oct 25, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>han theman</jf:author>
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