http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 00:22:37 -0400 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 http://tynamo.org!]]> Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:18:24 -0500 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:18:24 -0500 Wed, 13 Jan 2010 02:18:24 -0500 Jan 13, 2010 Kalle Korhonen 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 So to summarize, Trails draws on the excellent work of predecessors such as Rails and Naked Objects to try be a framework for developing software in a new way. I'm using the term Domain Driven Development to try and describe this "New...]]> Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:29:30 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:29:30 -0500 Thu, 04 Nov 2004 11:29:30 -0500 Nov 4, 2004 Brian Miller 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:21:04 -0400 Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:21:04 -0400 Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:21:04 -0400 Oct 30, 2004 Andreas Schwarz 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716
I have to clarify some points I was unable to explain :

1) I do not believe any tool like Naked Objects or Trails is alone a solution for producing applications. Actually, it can help people to play / experiment their...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:02:32 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:02:32 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:02:32 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Rodolfo de Paula 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:31:23 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:31:23 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 21:31:23 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Greg Fuller 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:15 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:15 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:02:15 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Chris Nelson 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 I'm not against frameworks. I'm just against frameworks that only address the easy problems, not the difficult ones.
...but having said that. If people really want those kinds of frameworks, then kudos to you and good luck.]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:19:41 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:19:41 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:19:41 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 han theman 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 I'm using the term Domain Driven Development to try and describe this "New Way".
Which is a catchy phrase and domain modelling is in the wind (and for good reason)

My point was that this "new way"...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:17:15 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:17:15 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 16:17:15 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 han theman 2 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716
So as the developer of Trails a little history is in order. The goal of Trails is certainly to make the simple things simple and the hard things possible, contrary to the earlier post. But you all should realize what the current status of...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:58:21 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:58:21 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:58:21 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Chris Nelson 4 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 But IMHO there are still many gaps to fill. The main benefits of Naked Objects or Trails (I haven´t download it yet) is to force these unexperienced people to not lose focus on the business, the domain.
That's all well...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:41:40 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:41:40 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:41:40 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Will Hartung 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 So, my point is : keeping the usual job easier is good, because usually the programmers are not so experienced like TSS readers Fire dead wood and give some credits to people doing 'usual' job. They too need power tools, not...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:22:58 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:22:58 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:22:58 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Konstantin Ignatyev 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 we can easily reuse and extend the application no matter how complex are the new requirements, because we have full power of object orientation, even in the web presentantion tier.There is a fundamental law: complexity of a...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:47 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:47 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:47 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Konstantin Ignatyev 0 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716
But there are still a lot of projects with some fresh graduate guys trying hard to understand all J2EE and related frameworks mess in their first year...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:52:47 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:52:47 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:52:47 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Rodolfo de Paula 4 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 Just what we need. A framework that makes simple things simple and hard things even harder.+1

Yes, that smells like MS ideology with all its advantages and disadvantages. I watched that blog demo and looked at Naked...]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:40:56 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:40:56 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:40:56 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 Konstantin Ignatyev 1 http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29716 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:09 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:09 -0400 Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:38:09 -0400 Oct 29, 2004 eisen hower 0