Support Forums: Message List - JBoss and Apache clash on shared code continues http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 22:41:07 -0400 ObjectWeb delivers -- was JBoss Position http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 Our [JBoss'] focus is on building out a full open souce middleware system over the next couple of years that is based on the Professional Open Source model.
This is a great idea. Actually, a full open source middleware stack...]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:21:29 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:21:29 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:21:29 -0500 Nov 18, 2004 Francois Letellier 0 Vic, read groklaw a little more oftens http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
learn that you CAN legally plagerize
I have a problem w/that.
Really? You shouldn't. At least, not always.Let's take some examples:Some coder called Tolkein takes some open-source IPs called...]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:13:25 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:13:25 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 04:13:25 -0500 Nov 18, 2004 Dorel Vaida 0 All that stupidity should be dropped once and for all http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 Nobody is you just learn programming w/o imitating the protected idea..
Typo: Nobody sues yu for just ...]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:07:13 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:07:13 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:07:13 -0500 Nov 18, 2004 hacking bear 0 All that stupidity should be dropped once and for all http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 I have never heard about a wolf that has killed another for copying hunting tricks.
True, but what if the wolf is trying to take food from another wolf?

Even worse, my dog keeps threatening my cat whenever the cat is...]]> Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:04:27 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:04:27 -0500 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:04:27 -0500 Nov 18, 2004 hacking bear 1 To sum it up http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
2) Even if they did, ASF can just "translate" the code a la Cameron and everything is ok. Ideas can never be copyrighted.

So if there ever was a...]]> Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:42:23 -0500 Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:42:23 -0500 Tue, 16 Nov 2004 04:42:23 -0500 Nov 16, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 0 Vic, read groklaw a little more oftens http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
learn that you CAN legally plagerize
I have a problem w/that.
Really? You shouldn't. At least, not always.

Let's take some examples:

Some coder called Tolkein takes some open-source...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:46:37 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:46:37 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:46:37 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Sean Broadley 2 How to break a license http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 " this may or may not be legal, but I think it is not ethical "
I am not a lawyer, but I have an opinion...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:38:58 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:38:58 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:38:58 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Vic Cekvenich 0 JBoss and Apache clash on shared code continues http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
Maybe it should follow the SNL model: Looks and Feels like Open Source, but it is not? (Tastes...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:31:27 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:31:27 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:31:27 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Artem Yegorov 0 How to break a license http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
I did some paralegal work doing copyright and trademark stuff to help pay my way through grad school, and I think you're dead wrong about copyright law.

I'm (legally) allowed to read your novel, and write another one that steals your...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:27:32 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:27:32 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 18:27:32 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Sean Broadley 1 when will the first case be tried in the court http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 "The GPL requires all copies to carry an appropriate copyright notice".

Yes, without it the GPL can not function properly because there are no party that can litigate the case. Without the copyright clause it is nothing more than...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:49:54 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:49:54 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 17:49:54 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 0 JBoss is not the copyright holder http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958
No, by submitting code under the L/GPL and placing that header in the file, you are giving up your copyright to the code.
not true. Copyright can be transferred only in a written document signed by the original...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:55:46 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:55:46 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:55:46 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Paul York 1 JBoss is not the copyright holder http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 Rolf, who then do you believe IS the copyright holder? The original coder? The last coder to modify the code?? FSF??? All of the above???? Society at large????? I'm really curious...
the original author is the copyright holder...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:56:50 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:56:50 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:56:50 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 The Ugly One With The Jewels 2 This FUD is just plain sad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 Product revenue?? JBoss has no plans to generate product revenue, period. In fact, they can't by terms of the LGPL license. By your logic, then, no VC would ever invest in any service company, which is obviously...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:25:12 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:25:12 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:25:12 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Cameron Purdy 0 Copyright is stronger than GPL http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 "No, by submitting code under the L/GPL and placing that header in the file, you are giving up your copyright to the code".

No, here is where you are wrong and this is the reason there is so much...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:46:28 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:46:28 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:46:28 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Rolf Tollerud 0 This FUD is just plain sad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=29958 Look, neither of us has access to the agreement between the VC's and JBoss. Marc claims that the VC money was in return for a non-controlling share of the company, i.e., a non-controlling share of the future profits of the company. In...]]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:12:45 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:12:45 -0500 Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:12:45 -0500 Nov 15, 2004 Paul York 0