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        <title>because they actually have a ton of experience</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Having worked in a company that &quot;does standards&quot; (and oversees them).<br><br>There is one simple truth, all the kids that come along to the party have one goal in mind...<br><br>&quot;How do I modify the standard to be as close to my...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Gary Bentley</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Inertia.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>OpenSolaris is the biggest and widest testing ground for opensourcing software at Sun Microsystems, and it is (in my own opinion) the last testing ground that opensource software needs to pass before becoming THE...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:07:23 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Re: Opinion: Do We Really Need the JCP?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=30855</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>But it needed co-operation from the major players in transaction processing (IBM, Oracle, BEA, NEC and the like) to work, and the JCP enabled that to happen.</blockquote><br>This is the key point that many seem to be missing.<br><br>In the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2005 11:41:28 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Will Hartung</jf:author>
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        <title>Can we get MS to have something like JCP</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=30855</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[so we have a more even playing field?<br>.V]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2004 10:53:47 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 31, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Vic Cekvenich</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Do We Really Need the JCP? Yes Open source even better</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Yes we do but it would be great if Java was open source. One thing I dont understand that SUN is say putting in a CVS tree is hassel... well let others do it for you. Another thing all the linux desktops can be Java enabled similar to MAC OSX]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 20:06:34 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 30, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Jamie Schiner</jf:author>
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        <title>Opinion: Do We Really Need the JCP?</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hmmm, let me see.<br><br>Servlets, JDBC, JMS, JNDI, JAX*, RMI, JavaMail, JMX, JTA/JTS, ...<br><br>Sure looks relevant to me.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2004 16:42:13 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Dec 30, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ghanshyam Patel</jf:author>
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        <title>One thing I'd like to see is access to RI</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[In some cases, I think access to the RI would be great. This way, those of us who use bleeding edge stuff before the official release can fix bugs and move on with work. I don't mind bugs in the RI while it's actively being developed, but for god sake,...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>peter lin</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Time and again we see this dicussion crop up.. sometimes with different groups of people... sometimes the same! :-) I guess the concept of &quot;open source&quot; has gathered enough momentum and support of relevant individuals by now, that we will see...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>K R</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>One thing I think would be a benefit would be if (just occasionally) Sun would simply adopt something direct from the Open Source community around Java.  Examples?  Well LOG4J, Struts and JfreeChart all spring to mind as things which could be...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Michael Rasmussen</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Glad I am not the only person who finds this constant assumption that somehow EJBs are hard to write and work with kind of depressing.<br><br>I actually think EJB is a very good example of why we need the JCP.  Trying to define an open standard that was...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Fred Bloggs</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[&quot;I don&#x2019;t buy the &#x201c;if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn&#x2019;t do that&#x201d; argument. Well-thought-out technology doesn&#x2019;t let you hang yourself in this way.&quot;<br><br>I have yet to see technology invented that...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>David Jones</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[From the article:<br><blockquote>Even now that JDO 2.0 has played catch-up, why should I go with a JDO Hibernate clone whose APIs are essentially untested in real applications</blockquote><br>JDO has played catch-up in some ways, but has been in advance...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Steve Zara</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<i>We also have Sun cobbling together a committee to wrest control of persistence away from open-source standards like Hibernate (a bad thing). I could support welcoming Hibernate into the JCP, but creating yet another competing technology is divisive...]]></description>
        

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        <title>because they actually have a ton of experience</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I only follow a dozen or so specs, but the ones that I do follow, the people in the JSR actually have experience. Rarely do the individuals involved in writing the spec have zero experience. having said that, everyone participating in the JSR comes from...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Dec 30, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>peter lin</jf:author>
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        <title>why we call jsr group &amp;quot;Expert Group&amp;quot;</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[actually i dislike the way things going in the java community....<br>jcp is very lenthy process(yes it takes a long time to produce a standard) first it propose an idea then it provide an early draft followed by several revisionsthen voting then provide...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Dec 30, 2004</jf:date>
        <jf:author>fawzyj</jf:author>
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