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        <title>new powerful j2ee frame work</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I say struts become useless as soon as soon.because shine frame work is burn....]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:26:33 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:26:33 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Nov 30, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alen Smith</jf:author>
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        <title>new powerful J2ee frame work ((shine vs all J2ee frame work))</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[new powerful J2ee frame work ((shine vs all J2ee frame work comming as soon as soon))...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:49:07 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:49:07 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Nov 30, 2008</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Alen Smith</jf:author>
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        <title>Uh what about . . .</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Is it a completely tangled mess (Struts, JSF, et al.) or is it clean and elegant (Tapestry, WebObjects, Ruby on Rails).<br><br>Of course the benefit to following the herd and choosing the garbage framework is that when your project is six months late and...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:40:04 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2005 00:40:04 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Dec 9, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Bruce Fancher</jf:author>
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        <title>oracle ADF</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[talking about framework, i'd recommend using oracle application development framework which is integrated in jdeveloper. it supports struts very well and developing web-application makes it easy. <br>you can have your business services using ejb,...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:18:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:18:29 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jan 12, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Sujan Shrestha</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[I read about the cons of Tapestry on this page: http(s)://equinox.dev.java.net/framework-comparison/WebFrameworks.pdf<br><br>The author writes the same like you: that the learning curve is steep for Tapestry.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:47:49 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 11:47:49 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jan 11, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[What do you mean impossible? Difficult to test - I agree, but certainly not impossible. And testing web appliction (the view part and user input) was never easy.<br><br>First don't put a lot of logic into Tapstry pages. Second, you can always implement...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:51:38 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:51:38 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Jan 11, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Danielius Jurna</jf:author>
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        <title>YAWTE</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Also take a look at:<a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/yawte/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/yawte/</a>If you need support(free) send me an email.</blockquote>Thank you. I'll take a look at it.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 19:29:58 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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        <title>YAWTE</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[Also take a look at:<br><br><a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/yawte/" target="_blank">http://sourceforge.net/projects/yawte/</a><br><br>If you need support(free) send me an email.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 15:35:02 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Catalin Merfu</jf:author>
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        <title>Visual Basic like</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31026</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[If you want a framework to create web pages like Visual Basic I recommend WebOnSwing (webonswing.sf.net). Take a look at visual tutorial, you can use any Swing aware editor in your favourite IDE to produce web pages, and when designer finished the htu ml...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 14:57:53 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Fernando Petrola</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I read a Con about Tapestry on the internet.<br><br>It says: Impossible to test - page classes are abstract.<br><br>Is this true? How bad is this (if true)?]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 10:41:47 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Thanks for the idea. I'll take a look at Tapestry.<br><br>It seems that it is template based like recommended by Jason Hunter (although he didn't mention Tapestry in his article).<br><br>Any other opinions are welcome.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 08:42:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Try Tapestry (I think the most advenced web framework today): <a href="http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/" target="_blank">http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry/</a>. If you'd like templates based web development - try apache velocity templates: <a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 07:20:01 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Danielius Jurna</jf:author>
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        <title>P.S.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I must add to my posting that I also read about using templates instead of JSP. The author recommended WebMacro for that purpose. But it doesn't seem to be well maintained any longer.<br><br>What do you think about using templates instead of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:44:17 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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        <title>Servlets vs. JSP vs. Struts vs. JSF</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[I started writing a web application by using Servlets.<br><br>There is very much HTML code in the servlets which I don't like. So I thought about using JSP, but I read that it has its drawbacks too.<br><br>Then I thought about using Struts. But then I...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2005 06:06:31 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Jan 10, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Hans Schw?bli</jf:author>
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