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        <title>Apache announces new sub-project of Struts: Shale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<p>too bad</p>...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 10:54:11 -0400</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Apr 29, 2011</jf:date>
        <jf:author>didier Rougeaut</jf:author>
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        <title>It would be nice ...</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[</blockquote>We're addressing this problem in JSF 1.2Ed</blockquote><br>It would be nice to stop processing the double submit and reload the latest page. :)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:58:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:58:10 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 19, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>David King</jf:author>
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        <title>RE:Quite an interesting read</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[No, I'm not a Microsoft developer, i am J2EE dev. but i think things are getting out of hand now. One of the reasons i was drawn to Java was that it seemed like a good core api and a good language. but what is going on now? Open source overdose. It's a...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Fri, 04 Feb 2005 08:46:55 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 4, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>max ashton</jf:author>
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        <title>Does the address bar have to track every click?</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Address bar is just the icing in the solution of a bigger problem.</blockquote><br>Today's most popular post on JavaBlogs is Dion's <i>&quot;XmlHttpRequest and company enable componentization&quot;</i>.  He suggests an alternative way of...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:14:27 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:14:27 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 3, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brian Miller</jf:author>
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        <title>Forms, transactions, tokens, redirects, and stateless view.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>As for stateless view being a best practice, redirects seem easily configured in both Struts and JSF.  But at the cost of worst possible latency and throughput.</blockquote>Assembly language program is faster than Java. So what? This fraction...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:05:09 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 12:05:09 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 3, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Jouravlev</jf:author>
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        <title>Forms, transactions, tokens, redirects, and stateless view.</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Maybe there's a better, more WAN friendly way of making the view stateless? </blockquote><br>Nothing is more WAN friendly than stateFULL Swing client deployed with JavaWebStart :)]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:39:01 -0500</pubDate>

        

        <jf:creationDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 10:39:01 -0500</jf:creationDate>
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        <jf:date>Feb 3, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Konstantin Ignatyev</jf:author>
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        <title>Forms, transactions, tokens, redirects, and stateless view.</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Using JSF's robust navigation capabilities, you can provide a redirect after post (there were 2 articles on theserverside.com on the topic).  I know that JSF and Shale will probably come up with solution on inheritently protecting actions...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:59:09 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 3, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Brian Miller</jf:author>
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        <title>Quite an interesting read</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Too much of one up manship in Java world.These frameworks are all the rage these days but think about a poor new programmer who has to learn<br>1. Java<br>2. http<br>3. html<br>4. strut<br>5. JSF<br>6. etc etc<br><br>added to that new...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 20:17:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 2, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Jouravlev</jf:author>
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        <title>Apache announces new sub-project of Struts: Shale</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31509</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Can JSF's stateless view make browser refreshing safe by inherently avoiding duplicate form submission?</blockquote><br>We're addressing this problem in JSF 1.2<br><br>Ed]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:54:38 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 2, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ed Burns</jf:author>
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        <title>things were better before</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>Too much of one up manship in Java world.These frameworks<br>are all the rage these days but think about a poor new programmer who<br>has to learn1. Java2. http3. html4. strut5. JSF6. etc etcadded to that<br>new releases of api's and all this...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Wed, 02 Feb 2005 12:52:49 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 2, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ed Burns</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Duh! &lt;form method=&quot;...&quot; &gt; attribute, of course.]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:25:44 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 1, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Jouravlev</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><blockquote>Concepts like a &quot;stateless view&quot; only matter to someone who understands what you are talking about.  Most of the world doesn't have a clue...</blockquote>It's true, we Struts hackers haven't got a clue about stateless...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:22:10 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 1, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Jouravlev</jf:author>
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        <title>The Curse of Emare: Struts in Exile</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Dakota Micheal McGrady Jack wrote:<br><blockquote>The core Struts people for some reason vehemently deny this in rude terms, but the truth is obvious.  Struts probably is dead.Dakota Jack</blockquote><br>Oh yeah.<br>They even came up with a cover...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 12:01:54 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 1, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Vic Cekvenich</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>It's true, we Struts hackers haven't got a clue about stateless view.  I mean I have a page, AddUser.do, if the user hits refresh afterwards, then IE shows a retry/cancel dialog before form resubmission.  If the user agrees to it, then my...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:56:40 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>hookomjj</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote>The problem with ASP.Net is that it still holds to the page paradigm.  And that it has no servlet equivalent.</blockquote>MSDN on Struts: &quot;The Struts architecture is essentially derived from a combination of the Front Controller and...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:50:00 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Feb 1, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Michael Jouravlev</jf:author>
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