Support Forums: Message List - JDO 2.0 Public Review Reconsideration Ballot http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Fri, 24 May 2013 19:29:26 -0400 JDO 2.0 Passed the Reconsideration Ballot!!! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 Last night JDO 2.0 passed the Reconsideration Ballot, with no votes against and 3 Abstains (IBM, Oracle and JBoss). Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:02:35 -0500 Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:02:35 -0500 Tue, 01 Mar 2005 08:02:35 -0500 Mar 1, 2005 Steve Zara 0 JDO 2.0 Passed the Reconsideration Ballot!!! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976
Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:02:32 -0500 Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:02:32 -0500 Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:02:32 -0500 Mar 1, 2005 JD Evora 1 JDO 2.0 Public Review Reconsideration Ballot http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:27:00 -0500 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:27:00 -0500 Mon, 28 Feb 2005 04:27:00 -0500 Feb 28, 2005 Robin Roos 0 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 Presumably the QOM implementation would be the same structure as that produced by the implementation's query parser, and could be "executed" directly. (Executed in this context probably means translated into the underlying query...]]> Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:38 -0500 Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:38 -0500 Fri, 25 Feb 2005 19:33:38 -0500 Feb 25, 2005 nextdb 0 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 This would be a bad idea for two reasons so I am not surprised that it hasn't been done by vendors:(Reason 1) What would you propose to your own userbase as the "standard" to program against? Your own query API addon or the default...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:26:57 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:26:57 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 13:26:57 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Juozas Baliuka 0 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976
I feel like now we're settling down into a more rational debate. I'll try to address some of your concerns:
What would you propose to your own userbase as the "standard" to program against? Your own query API...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:35:59 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:35:59 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:35:59 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Abe White 0 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 Do I make sense?

Yes, Carl, you do. Thanks for the discussion. And although I suspected that Hibernate might support a QOM I did not know for certain and I appreciate your posting the URL earlier.

JDO expects that a...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:59:15 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:59:15 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:59:15 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Robin Roos 1 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 When I get into discussions with JDO people (shouldn't they be my friends?) I find myself arguing with 10 people at the same time that defend JDO and do not accept a single one of my points of criticism. To me this indeed feels like they all...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:45:19 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:45:19 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:45:19 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Henrique Steckelberg 0 Our own interests to see JDO terminated http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 As I said, that is trivial to implement on top of JDO.This would be a bad idea for two reasons so I am not surprised that it hasn't been done by vendors:
(Reason 1) What would you propose to your own userbase as...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:28:17 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:28:17 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:28:17 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Carl Rosenberger 5 FUD is bad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 FUD the fudding fudders, as George Carlin might say.
Carlin is a wise dude.
Every word written is FUD - from the perspective of someone who disagrees with the premise of the writer.

I think that...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:16:10 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:16:10 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 09:16:10 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Steve Zara 0 FUD is bad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976
There are those who seem to have been born 'different' and think the world is...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:47:25 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:47:25 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:47:25 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Donald Smith 1 FUD is bad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 This is why I think that vendors who rubbish JDO for political reasons (usually without being honest that their reasons are political, not technical) are in the long term damaging themselves.Some vendors have nothing to lose...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:30:31 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:30:31 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:30:31 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Juozas Baliuka 0 Committee please terminate JDO http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 No.I am talking about JDO's elegant support for query languages other than JDOQL. Please see JDO 2 specification section "14.7 SQL Queries" for more information.Ok, It sounds better. We discussed it many times and I...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:26:25 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:26:25 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 08:26:25 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Juozas Baliuka 0 Committee please terminate JDO http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976
Of course there are things that pure SQL has to be used for but why should it be used for absolutely everything?
 I do not need SQL for everything, I need it to access RDBMS,...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:23:40 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:23:40 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:23:40 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Tony Vai 1 FUD is bad http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=31976 This stuff is know as aggressive marketing a.k.a FUD. ... (FUD is not a bad thing in this context)

I think there is a huge difference between FUD and aggressive marketing. FUD is very bad the for IT industry in the same way...]]> Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:09:29 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:09:29 -0500 Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:09:29 -0500 Feb 24, 2005 Steve Zara 3