Support Forums: Message List - Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 23:42:49 -0400 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 What I find *really* disturbing about the whole JDO/EJB3 debate is that the TSS Cause of the Month Club and the Bitter Bloggers are so quick to try and tear down the JCP. Proved to me how short thinking people can be...]]> Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:44:17 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:44:17 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:44:17 -0500 Mar 10, 2005 Steve Zara 0 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 What I find *really* disturbing about the whole JDO/EJB3 debate is that the TSS Cause of the Month Club and the Bitter Bloggers are so quick to try and tear down the JCP. Proved to me how short thinking people can be...]]> Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:25:47 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:25:47 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 08:25:47 -0500 Mar 10, 2005 Steve Zara 1 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 It takes an extreme amount of energy, time, and money to implement, support, sit on committees, market and sell your implementation of a specification. At the time me...]]> Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:22:38 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:22:38 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:22:38 -0500 Mar 10, 2005 Henrique Steckelberg 0 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 Bill,it is rather difficult to understand how there could be such relevant technical arguments against JDO as much as to demand creating a entirely new persistence spec, and then have JDO vendors provide BOTH JDO and EJB3 persistence APIs...]]> Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:36:29 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:36:29 -0500 Thu, 10 Mar 2005 06:36:29 -0500 Mar 10, 2005 Steve Zara 0 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 If there were really big technical discrepancies between both APIs, I don't think this would be achievable in the first place!
Well, the same could be said about CMP. We were going to build our CMP solution on top of...]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:12:40 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:12:40 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 18:12:40 -0500 Mar 9, 2005 Bill Burke 1 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397
it is rather difficult to understand how there could be such relevant technical arguments against JDO as much as to demand creating a entirely new persistence spec, and then have JDO vendors provide BOTH JDO and EJB3 persistence APIs with...]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:20:56 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:20:56 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 12:20:56 -0500 Mar 9, 2005 Henrique Steckelberg 3 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397
Tough luck for the smaller ISVs (like CodeFutures) that invested time and effort in JDO support.
I felt that way until last night when I read Mr. Burke's "standalone persistance" post in another thread here....]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:44:59 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:44:59 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:44:59 -0500 Mar 9, 2005 Bill Burke 0 JDO decision http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 JBoss JDO?

What happened to that? What happened to that 2 year old announcement? The story is that at the time, we were heavily...]]> Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:37:23 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:37:23 -0500 Wed, 09 Mar 2005 11:37:23 -0500 Mar 9, 2005 Bill Burke 6 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:52:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:52:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:52:30 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 George Jiang 7 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 As far as I'm concerned EJB-3 persistance is JDO rebranded. The new marketing really confused me at first, since there's nothing enterprise (ie, J2EE) about EJB-3 persistance.
Why JDO needs to be rebranded as EJB3...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:45:31 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:45:31 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 20:45:31 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 George Jiang 8 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 Tough luck for the smaller ISVs (like CodeFutures) that invested time and effort in JDO support.
I felt that way until last night when I read Mr. Burke's "standalone persistance" post in another thread here. Then I...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:58:50 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:58:50 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:58:50 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Brian Miller 10 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397
The comments against this...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:48:39 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:48:39 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:48:39 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Robin Roos 0 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397
So how might the JCP Executive vote when EJB 3.0 comes up for its first ballot?
Hmm... now what are you suggesting?
The only formal mechanism for EC members to influence JSRs is through their vote and...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:43:13 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:43:13 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 14:43:13 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Robin Roos 0 Former Apache JCP EC Representative Says JCP Is Too Closed http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397
http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=102

Peace,

Cameron Purdy
Tangosol, Inc.
 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:03:03 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:03:03 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:03:03 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Cameron Purdy 1 I'm all for open source but... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=32397 Well, one reason for not standardizing over an existing product would be that this particular product would have a huge headstart over any competitor, and chance becoming a "monopoly".Regards,Henrique Steckelberg
Oh,...]]> Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:01:03 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:01:03 -0500 Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:01:03 -0500 Mar 8, 2005 Tero Vaananen 0