Support Forums: Message List - Oracle to develop EJB 3 Tool for Eclipse http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Tue, 21 May 2013 08:26:14 -0400 Hibernate Is Better http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 I have used hibernate for about an year and am really amazed the way it works. I not sure about EJB 3.0 But only thing people are talking about is EJB 3.0 much of it is borrowed from Hibernate. Probabaly true, the Guy Mr Gavin who was the...]]> Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:02:50 -0400 Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:02:50 -0400 Wed, 20 Apr 2005 17:02:50 -0400 Apr 20, 2005 Mike Keith 0 Hibernate Is Better http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:04:46 -0400 Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:04:46 -0400 Wed, 20 Apr 2005 05:04:46 -0400 Apr 20, 2005 Vijay Kumar 1 What is Eclipse http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 So you can go and buy IBM's WSAD for $3,500 (If I'm not mistaken) to get your complete IDE - or you can go and get JDeveloper for $995.Your sales department may decide to price the Eclipse based JDeveloper replacement at $495....]]> Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:29:59 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:29:59 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:29:59 -0400 Apr 19, 2005 George Jiang 0 What is Eclipse http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 So you can go and buy IBM's WSAD for $3,500 (If I'm not mistaken) to get your complete IDE - or you can go and get JDeveloper for $995.
You sales department may decide to price the Eclipse based JDeveloper replacement at $495....]]> Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:23:45 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:23:45 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:23:45 -0400 Apr 19, 2005 George Jiang 1 What is Eclipse http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290
My understanding is that Eclipse is a base IDE and a framework to build add-ons, such as IBM's WSAD (WebSphere Studio Application Developer.

Correct, but I think this just prove my point.
Eclipse...]]> Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:45:14 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:45:14 -0400 Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:45:14 -0400 Apr 19, 2005 shay shmeltzer 2 RE: Who uses Oracle? :) http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 We believe JDeveloper provide a much more complete development environment than Eclipse currently.
I don't want to teach you about Eclipse, but don't want others reading the thread to be mislead by you either.

My...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:39:45 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:39:45 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 23:39:45 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 George Jiang 3 The EJB 3 tool for Eclipse will not be part of the first release http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 In the interview on the Oracle site it is written:When do you expect the project to be completed?Although the schedule for this project has not yet been determined, we expect it to align with the Eclipse Web Tools schedule as well as the...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:19:51 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:19:51 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:19:51 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 Pieter Humphrey 0 RE: Who uses Oracle? :) http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:59:39 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:59:39 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 15:59:39 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 shay shmeltzer 4 Who uses Oracle? :) http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 I would guess that at some point in the future Oracle will port all of there JDeveloper features to Eclipse and use it as the base IDE. This would probably be a good move, many people I have talked to don't even look at Oracle AS because...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:39:42 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:39:42 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:39:42 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 Pieter Humphrey 5 I'd use TopLink http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 If you say that this is inaccurate, I welcome the correction. But I'll say the expert group needs to get the message out, because I am hardly the only who seems to think that Hibernate is the major model being used.
That is...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:34:51 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:34:51 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 14:34:51 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 Mike Keith 0 I'd use TopLink http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 David, the reasons why TopLink did not completely own the market when Hibernate came along have more to do with the poorly-managed company that used to own TopLink before Oracle than anything else, and *certainly* not because people decided...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:21:24 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:21:24 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:21:24 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 David McCoy 1 I'd use TopLink http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 Well, I think if I was in the minority that something like Hibernate would have the success it is experiencing. In fact, I would say that you have a Hibernate as a direct result of Toplink's inability to own the market they arguably created...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:42:30 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:42:30 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 11:42:30 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 Mike Keith 2 I'd use TopLink http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290
I've used both and I prefer Hibernate. I didn't care for Toplinks query API. I believe that it made it harder to use than Hibernate. The query API, IMO, made it harder to understand what a particular query was doing. Conversely,...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:01:05 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:01:05 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:01:05 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 David McCoy 3 Re: Shudder!! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290
The XML is harsh and so complex as to be unreadable. I now use Hibernate and find its configuration clearer. I used Toplink on a project and tried Hibernate on a succeeding project and found Hibernate easier to manage WITHOUT a...]]> Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:56:07 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:56:07 -0400 Mon, 18 Apr 2005 09:56:07 -0400 Apr 18, 2005 David McCoy 0 I'd use TopLink http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33290 I've used both and I prefer Hibernate. I didn't care for Toplinks query API. I believe that it made it harder to use than Hibernate. The query API, IMO, made it harder to understand what a particular query was doing. Conversely, IMO,...]]> Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:55 -0400 Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:55 -0400 Fri, 15 Apr 2005 17:30:55 -0400 Apr 15, 2005 Mike Keith 4