Support Forums: Message List - Tech Talk: Scott Ambler, on the Agile development process http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 18 May 2013 16:39:51 -0400 what parts work well? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:29:12 -0400 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:29:12 -0400 Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:29:12 -0400 Jun 30, 2005 Abdu Chadili 0 what parts work well? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
They do make some good and valid points: XP does have its issues. However, many of the points addressed by the softwarereality guys are no longer valid or pertinent, as the people shaping XP...]]> Wed, 25 May 2005 13:01:58 -0400 Wed, 25 May 2005 13:01:58 -0400 Wed, 25 May 2005 13:01:58 -0400 May 25, 2005 Jeff Langr 0 what parts work well? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
There are requirements (otherwise there's nothing to build), there are schedules (we just might not waste our time creating big, useless MS project...]]> Wed, 11 May 2005 09:47:00 -0400 Wed, 11 May 2005 09:47:00 -0400 Wed, 11 May 2005 09:47:00 -0400 May 11, 2005 Scott Ambler 0 Fixed scope, cost and time can't work http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
I walk away from projects when the managers are unable to accept this reality.

I have...]]> Wed, 11 May 2005 09:37:16 -0400 Wed, 11 May 2005 09:37:16 -0400 Wed, 11 May 2005 09:37:16 -0400 May 11, 2005 Scott Ambler 0 Fixed scope, cost and time can't work http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
Your experiences are pretty similar to my own, and I've been developing for 15+ years, for much of that time I was in management managing contracts with customers like the ones you describe.

In fact such experiences lead me to get...]]> Fri, 06 May 2005 16:21:12 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 16:21:12 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 16:21:12 -0400 May 6, 2005 Paul Beckford 1 Re: Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 Hi David,indeed, it seems like we had totally different experiences, when realizing customer projects. In fact, I just rectnelty had a project, where more money was made by realizing change requests, than realizing the functionality of...]]> Fri, 06 May 2005 12:46:22 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:46:22 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 12:46:22 -0400 May 6, 2005 David McCoy 2 Re: Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
indeed, it seems like we had totally different experiences, when realizing customer projects. In fact, I just rectnelty had a project, where more money was made by realizing change requests, than realizing the functionality of...]]> Fri, 06 May 2005 05:59:11 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 05:59:11 -0400 Fri, 06 May 2005 05:59:11 -0400 May 6, 2005 Dirk Ludwig 3 Points http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
The undelying issues are communication, accountability and transparency. A document is just a means of communication and could be...]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 15:29:13 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 15:29:13 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 15:29:13 -0400 May 5, 2005 Paul Beckford 0 Points http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 I agree with all comments. In my experience too, requirements change so often that documentation is always out of date. However, I do not think this would invalidate the need for thorough documentation. Take the "Vision" document...]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 12:04:07 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 12:04:07 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 12:04:07 -0400 May 5, 2005 David McCoy 1 Points http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 However, I do not think this would invalidate the need for thorough documentation. Take the "Vision" document from RUP,...]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 11:53:11 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 11:53:11 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 11:53:11 -0400 May 5, 2005 Eduardo Ochiai 2 Re: Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
How many customers do you know who are willing to read a 150+ page requirements document?
Hopefully, the requirements document (e.g Use Cases) is being elaborated together with the customer and not in a devloper's...]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 10:41:03 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 10:41:03 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 10:41:03 -0400 May 5, 2005 David McCoy 7 Re: Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 How many customers do you know who are willing to read a 150+ page requirements document?
Hopefully, the requirements document (e.g Use Cases) is being elaborated together with the customer and not in a devloper's ivory tower....]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 07:25:19 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 07:25:19 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 07:25:19 -0400 May 5, 2005 Dirk Ludwig 8 Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674
How many customers do you know who are willing to read a 150+ page requirements document?

If they do read it how many of them are sure what it is they are about to sign up...]]> Thu, 05 May 2005 03:59:43 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 03:59:43 -0400 Thu, 05 May 2005 03:59:43 -0400 May 5, 2005 Paul Beckford 9 Sounds good http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 However, wouldn't an approach that relies more heavily on documentation be useful to set the boundaries of that scope ?]]> Wed, 04 May 2005 21:28:59 -0400 Wed, 04 May 2005 21:28:59 -0400 Wed, 04 May 2005 21:28:59 -0400 May 4, 2005 Eduardo Ochiai 10 what parts work well? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=33674 http://www.softwarereality.com/lifecycle/xp/forum.jsp

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