Support Forums: Message List - Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Wed, 22 May 2013 01:25:39 -0400 Velocity support http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 I am curious when people say that JSF is hard to learn and hard to program without tools, as I can honestly say that my experience is the exact opposite. I'm not sure how JSF could be simpler. The tags for components are placed on a web...]]> Tue, 31 May 2005 16:37:33 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:37:33 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:37:33 -0400 May 31, 2005 hookomjj 0 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106
This preference comes simply from the feedback from designers - people who are _meant_ to be working on templates, would rather work with Velocity than JSPs.
Why do not use Tapestry and let those folks work with...]]> Tue, 31 May 2005 16:28:39 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:28:39 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:28:39 -0400 May 31, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106
This preference comes simply from the feedback from designers - people who are _meant_ to be working on templates, would rather work with Velocity than JSPs.
Why do not use Tapestry and let those folks work with...]]> Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:18 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:18 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:27:18 -0400 May 31, 2005 hookomjj 0 Velocity support http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 I have been using JSF for almost half a year now, and although the learning curve, once you dig deeper than faces-config and the standard tags, and the datamodel classes which come out of the box, which most users probably will be happy with,...]]> Tue, 31 May 2005 16:24:23 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:24:23 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:24:23 -0400 May 31, 2005 Steve Zara 1 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 This preference comes simply from the feedback from designers - people who are _meant_ to be working on templates, would rather work with Velocity than JSPs.Why do not use Tapestry and let those folks work with HTML?]]> Tue, 31 May 2005 16:02:28 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:02:28 -0400 Tue, 31 May 2005 16:02:28 -0400 May 31, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 2 shale vs spring webflow http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Mon, 30 May 2005 14:30:01 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 14:30:01 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 14:30:01 -0400 May 30, 2005 joost de vries 0 shale vs spring webflow http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Hi Craig,This recent thread on TSS suggested to me that your plans for tailoring Shale to JSF were voted off and that you turned to Spring Webflow. Now...]]> Mon, 30 May 2005 13:31:46 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 13:31:46 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 13:31:46 -0400 May 30, 2005 Craig McClanahan 1 Velocity support http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Mon, 30 May 2005 13:28:30 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 13:28:30 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 13:28:30 -0400 May 30, 2005 Werner Punz 2 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 I do not see why an average "templator" would be more capable than me.Steve, since you apparently know much more than me about JSF, could you, please, answer the following question? How possible/easy is substituting JSP with...]]> Mon, 30 May 2005 06:44:15 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 06:44:15 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 06:44:15 -0400 May 30, 2005 Steve Zara 3 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Does it look like JSF will have a full-fledged, out-of-the-box support for alternative templating engines like Velocity? I am not a big fan of JSP, whether used in JSF, Struts or wherever and prefer Velocity. This preference comes simply...]]> Mon, 30 May 2005 04:48:43 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:48:43 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:48:43 -0400 May 30, 2005 hookomjj 0 Tech Talk: Craig McClanahan on JavaServer Faces http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 All JSF components have style attributes which allow the full richness of CSS to be used, and to be customised and changed at any time. This makes JSF eminently suitable to systems such as Portal Toolkits. Steve, yes but there...]]> Mon, 30 May 2005 04:09:51 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:09:51 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:09:51 -0400 May 30, 2005 Irakli Nadareishvili 8 RE: this could have been done in struts http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Again: JSF is good, but sales arguments are wrong.You can write tree with tag files, custom tags etc. It could be (and it is) cross browser too. You do not need JSF for that. Is not it?
JSF is a standard component platform...]]> Mon, 30 May 2005 04:03:28 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:03:28 -0400 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:03:28 -0400 May 30, 2005 hookomjj 0 The value of components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 Sun, 29 May 2005 20:51:27 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 20:51:27 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 20:51:27 -0400 May 29, 2005 Henrique Steckelberg 0 The value of components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106
I think the ability to render to alternative presentation technologies is a major strength of JSF, and will become very important as users of come to expect richer functionality client-side.
I am very sceptical about...]]> Sun, 29 May 2005 19:00:23 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 19:00:23 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 19:00:23 -0400 May 29, 2005 Steve Zara 1 The value of components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34106 I think the ability to render to alternative presentation technologies is a major strength of JSF, and will become very important as users of come to expect richer functionality client-side.
I am very sceptical about it. Sure...]]> Sun, 29 May 2005 18:24:06 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 18:24:06 -0400 Sun, 29 May 2005 18:24:06 -0400 May 29, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 2