Support Forums: Message List - JavaServer Faces Presentation from TheServerSide Java Symposium http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 25 May 2013 02:20:54 -0400 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
You are misunderstanding JSF.
Why do not give me a little credit and assume that I do understand JSF?Please try re-read my arguments with the assumption that I do understand JSF, and you do not quite understand what I...]]> Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:59 -0400 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:59 -0400 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 08:41:59 -0400 Jun 15, 2005 Steve Zara 0 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 You are misunderstanding JSF. Why do not give me a little credit and assume that I do understand JSF?
Please try re-read my arguments with the assumption that I do understand JSF, and you do not quite understand what I am...]]> Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:34:23 -0400 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:34:23 -0400 Wed, 15 Jun 2005 03:34:23 -0400 Jun 15, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 1 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 So you admit that even when one language (Java) can do the same thing as another, many people prefer the alternative( Python, etc).
Of course, but that does not detract from Java's abilities in these areas.
I...]]> Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:10:17 -0400 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:10:17 -0400 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:10:17 -0400 Jun 14, 2005 Steve Zara 2 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 But with HTML/Flash/Swing we are talking about technologies with vastly different capabilities and underlying...]]> Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:30:57 -0400 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:30:57 -0400 Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:30:57 -0400 Jun 14, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 3 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
They indicate how a single language can be used in a wide range of situations.
Because developers like choice, and like to work in different styles.
Do not you think that the statements above...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:02:12 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:02:12 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 19:02:12 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Steve Zara 4 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 They indicate how a single language can be used in a wide range of situations.
Because developers like choice, and like to work in different styles.
Do not you think that the statements above a kind of...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:40:12 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:40:12 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 18:40:12 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 5 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
There is an old adage that seems to fit into the situation: jack-of-all-trades, master of none.In nowadays speak it looks like “silver bullet” pattern. Could somebody show me an example when...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:48:02 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:48:02 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:48:02 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Steve Zara 6 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
There is an old adage that seems to fit into the situation: jack-of-all-trades, master of none.In nowadays speak it looks like “silver bullet” pattern. Could somebody show me an example when...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:08 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:08 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 14:06:08 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 7 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
JSF components should be able to render using different methods, so may need to output HTML, XML, SVG, Flash etc.
And that is presumably ... good?

Why shouldn't it be? The alternative is to have to...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:17:02 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:17:02 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:17:02 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Steve Zara 8 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 JSF components should be able to render using different methods, so may need to output HTML, XML, SVG, Flash etc.
And that is presumably ... good?
There is an old adage that seems to fit into the situation:...]]> Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:50:09 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:50:09 -0400 Mon, 13 Jun 2005 11:50:09 -0400 Jun 13, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 9 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
The renderer can be null and you can override the render methods on your component itself to always output XHTML or XML if you want.
Exactly like servlet :)One day I looked at some JSF components in one well known...]]> Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:28:30 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:28:30 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:28:30 -0400 Jun 12, 2005 hookomjj 0 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
Yeah, it can be tricky to add components that are overly complex.
Such thing is easy in Swing, in Tapestry too. Why it has to be comples in JSF?

Because Swing and Tapestry don't render for multiple...]]> Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:56:27 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:56:27 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 05:56:27 -0400 Jun 12, 2005 Steve Zara 11 About the third party components http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 Yeah, it can be tricky to add components that are overly complex.
Such thing is easy in Swing, in Tapestry too. Why it has to be comples in JSF?
The renderer can be null and you can override the render methods...]]> Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:01:59 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:01:59 -0400 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 00:01:59 -0400 Jun 12, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 12 Tapestry http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387 IMHO, the use of OGNL allows for more intrusive scripting than JSP/JSF's use of EL :-)
Sounds like FUD spread.
1st - EL is weak and smeels like wheel reinvention, OGNL is much more powerful and mature than EL, but for EL type...]]> Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:54:40 -0400 Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:54:40 -0400 Sat, 11 Jun 2005 23:54:40 -0400 Jun 11, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 0 JSF http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=34387
Especially, because I hate to write the UI. I prefer the 'drag and drop'. Writing a code like 'TextField' drives me crazy. I am not a robot. I require an automatization ...

I downloaded the SUN Java Creator and...]]> Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:21:17 -0400 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:21:17 -0400 Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:21:17 -0400 Jun 10, 2005 damian frach 0