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Support Forums: Message List - Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 25 May 2013 16:25:59 -0400 EJB3 has already gone the wrong direction http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:08:21 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:08:21 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 22:08:21 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 George Jiang 0 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453

Perhaps. I guess we'll see. EJB3 is a direct response to the popularity of Spring and Hibernate.
I agree

Another example of revisionist?
Sure. The EJB3 spec team just happen to...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:55:23 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:55:23 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:55:23 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 David McCoy 0 EJB3 has already gone the wrong direction http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453

In addition, I doubt that the EJB2.1 people you list will have an easier time using EJB3 than the Spring/Hibernate people. The concepts of EJB3 are lifting from concepts popularized by those two pieces of software. This isn't just...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:41:31 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:41:31 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:41:31 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 George Jiang 1 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453
Perhaps. I guess we'll see. EJB3 is a direct response to the popularity of Spring and Hibernate.
I agree

Another example of revisionist?]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:24:16 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:24:16 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:24:16 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 George Jiang 1 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 I just believe that the talk that being a standard automatically ensures quality or success simply isn't true.
I agree that just being a standard doesn't automatically ensure quality, but being a standard that is...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:11:29 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:11:29 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 15:11:29 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453

Struts is FAR more popular in corporations than JSF.

I am not surprised. Firstly, struts has been around for a long time and there is a lot of investment in it. Secondly, newer approaches can take a long time to...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:54:12 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:54:12 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:54:12 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 David McCoy 1 EJB Threading http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:12:16 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:12:16 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 11:12:16 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 Victor Yushenko 0 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Struts is FAR more popular in corporations than JSF.
I am not surprised. Firstly, struts has been around for a long time and there is a lot of investment in it. Secondly, newer approaches can take a long time to appear in...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:40:01 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 Steve Zara 2 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453

Perhaps. I guess we'll see. EJB3 is a direct response to the popularity of Spring and Hibernate.

I agree

And JSF has yet to be a slamdunk.

Fair anough. It is havily pushed by SUN, Oracle and IBM....]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:15 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:15 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:16:15 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 David McCoy 3 Should you /ever/ distribute web and business? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 There is a Folwer person who put it as a "law" #1 - Don't distribute it. And I have similar feeling about why would you ever....But what if you /have to/? Like, your webapp has to consume a service exposed as EJB by someone else,...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:44:48 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:44:48 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:44:48 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 damian frach 0 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:39:04 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:39:04 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:39:04 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 Paul Campbell 0 Should you /ever/ distribute web and business? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Floyd mentions that only 15% of EJB users actually deployed web and business tiers on physically separate tiers and says his book should have been called "EJB Distributed Design Patterns". But I've always had a hard time seeing in...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:37:53 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:37:53 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:37:53 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 damian frach 0 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 Perhaps. I guess we'll see. EJB3 is a direct response to the popularity of Spring and Hibernate.I agree

And JSF has yet to be a slamdunk.

Fair anough. It is havily pushed by SUN, Oracle and IBM. We will...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:32:30 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:32:30 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:32:30 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 damian frach 6 Floyd Marinescu: "A brief history of EJB" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453

Damin wrote:.... the enterprise mainstream is going to be JSF + EJB3.

On Studio Creator I assume. They desrve it then. I think that is shortest road for them to convert .NETv2.
Nope. JSF with drag and...]]> Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0400 Thu, 28 Jul 2005 04:10:09 -0400 Jul 28, 2005 damian frach 0 EJB3 has already gone the wrong direction http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=35453 In addition, I doubt that the EJB2.1 people you list will have an easier time using EJB3 than the Spring/Hibernate people. The concepts of EJB3 are lifting from concepts popularized by those two pieces of software. This isn't just an issue of...]]> Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:34:02 -0400 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:34:02 -0400 Wed, 27 Jul 2005 19:34:02 -0400 Jul 27, 2005 George Jiang 2