Support Forums: Message List - Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 01:47:48 -0400 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 Ok. I admit I haven't used too many versions of Smalltalk.But the cheap choice (Squeak) has a pre-80s style UI. Why do I say this? Because of its overloaded context menu.. and morphic?? well that's just weird.
Morphic may be...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:18:56 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:18:56 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:18:56 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 Smalltalk has such a high barrier of entry (I don't have 3k around just to play w/ a platform). Whereas Java is free (in the monetary sense). I wish IBM just contributed their Smalltalk to open source.. but that would be bad for their Java...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:09:29 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:09:29 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 03:09:29 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Paul Beckford 0 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 But the cheap choice (Squeak) has a pre-80s style UI. Why do I say this? Because of its overloaded context menu.. and morphic?? well that's just weird.

I loved IBM's Smalltalk...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:41:34 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:41:34 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:41:34 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Amin Mansuri 2 This means nothing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
If you need a "net" (.net?) to catch you maybe you should use another tool. If you can't factor out behavior and hide...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:33:54 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:33:54 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 23:33:54 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 U G 0 Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 Wow. From Self -> JavaScript - That darn marketing department again! No, just joking. Thanks for the info I always wondered what happended to it :^)
Believe it or not, Hotspot (the JVM) used to be the Self VM....]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:20:57 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:20:57 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:20:57 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Cameron Purdy 0 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 This as got to be on of the most active discussions I've seen on the serverside in a while. Over 90 comments and counting.I wonder if the Vendors are listening? An exercise in direct customer feedback. IBM backed away from Smalltalk towards...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:32:41 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:32:41 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:32:41 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
I wonder if the Vendors are listening? An exercise in direct customer feedback. IBM backed away from Smalltalk towards Java...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:47:36 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:47:36 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:47:36 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Paul Beckford 1 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 Smalltalk, even today, is hanging on to it's pre-80s UI.
I don't think so.

For example:
Dolphin Smalltalk has a full Windows GUI.
VisualWorks has a customisable rich GUI.
GNU Smalltalk uses TK.
Squeak used...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:24:49 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:24:49 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 06:24:49 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Steve Zara 5 Can we build a new Smalltalk? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
There's a "port" of Squeak to the Java VM (which is a good...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:32:35 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:32:35 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:32:35 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Amin Mansuri 6 might be unrealistic, but how will things change? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
- it's dynamic (beginners never can understand the need for typing)
- there are less barries to success and...]]> Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:17:46 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:17:46 -0400 Tue, 25 Oct 2005 01:17:46 -0400 Oct 25, 2005 Amin Mansuri 0 Groovy benefits http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
I still don't get when and where and why I should use Groovy instead of Java. I am using Java and Drools. Not that I wouldn't like to. I can see it maybe being used like providing scripting/macros for an...]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:40:47 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:40:47 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 14:40:47 -0400 Oct 24, 2005 Mark N 0 Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 And the reason why I had to learned Smalltalk using Smalltalk/X back in 93. I think the cost back then was about £3K, but I wouldn't swear to it!Fortunately they do a free non-commercial license knowadays, so you can download it for...]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:26:47 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:26:47 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 12:26:47 -0400 Oct 24, 2005 Steve Zara 7 Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222
At the same time Sun was doing research on Self, an advanced prototype language loosely based on Smalltalk, but where is Self today?
I think it's now called ECMAScript, an international standard.

Wow....]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:57:54 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:57:54 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:57:54 -0400 Oct 24, 2005 Paul Beckford 1 Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 I read an article by Alan Kay where he says that Software development in the last 30 years have been dominated by short termism.
+1
I love the expression: “short termism”.
I think that not only IT is plagued by...]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:40:17 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:40:17 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:40:17 -0400 Oct 24, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 0 Beyond Java but not the Virtual Machine http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37222 At the same time Sun was doing research on Self, an advanced prototype language loosely based on Smalltalk, but where is Self today?I think it's now called ECMAScript, an international standard.]]> Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:31:23 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:31:23 -0400 Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:31:23 -0400 Oct 24, 2005 Brian Miller 2