Support Forums: Message List - Simple Web Framework 1.0 released http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 05:18:42 -0400 Mentawai, interesting small framework http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:18:17 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:18:17 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:18:17 -0400 Oct 28, 2005 jan svoboda 0 It uses JSP? NEXT! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 Seriously, in order to type:<c:out input="${dfjsdjfl}"/>I have to hit the shift key about seven times.
Don't you now that in JSP 2.0 you can just write $blabla as JSP2.0 supports EL. So don't use ancient...]]> Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:41:53 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:41:53 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:41:53 -0400 Oct 28, 2005 Saulius Sinkunas 0 It uses JSP? NEXT! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 ... page designer are less intelligent than programmers... Ever saw a pagedesigner use it, I didn't.
Maybe because page designers are more intelligent that that! ;)]]> Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:36:42 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:36:42 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:36:42 -0400 Oct 28, 2005 Kit Davies 0 It uses JSP? NEXT! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 type:<c:out input="${dfjsdjfl}"/>I have to hit the shift key about seven times.
LOL ;-) that is the perfect example of why it is so crappy, and why is it that way anyway, because page designer are less...]]> Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:19:23 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:19:23 -0400 Fri, 28 Oct 2005 03:19:23 -0400 Oct 28, 2005 Dennis Bekkering 1 It uses JSP? NEXT! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284
Along the lines of Ruby, you can always use scriptlets to the same effect with JSP. I think a majority...]]> Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:02:45 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:02:45 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:02:45 -0400 Oct 27, 2005 hookomjj 0 Are you serious? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 JSP-based frameworks are all fundmentally flawed.

If I have a choice between Velocity/WebMacro/OGNL and JSP with it's inferior EL and ugly taglib syntax, I'll go with macro-languages all day.

Seriously, in order to...]]> Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:20:18 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:20:18 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:20:18 -0400 Oct 27, 2005 Michael Jouravlev 0 It uses JSP? NEXT! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284
If I have a choice between Velocity/WebMacro/OGNL and JSP with it's inferior EL and ugly taglib syntax, I'll go with macro-languages all day.

Seriously, in order to type:

<c:out...]]> Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:59:43 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:59:43 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:59:43 -0400 Oct 27, 2005 Constance Eustace 5 Simple? Not really.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 interweaving procedural evaluation at construction time means that any given client could have a different structual component model that must be retained across requests.
and that is what makes it all so tedious. Building...]]> Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:43:17 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:43:17 -0400 Thu, 27 Oct 2005 04:43:17 -0400 Oct 27, 2005 Dennis Bekkering 0 Simple? Not really.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284
For true component models to come about, they need to dump JSP completely. That reliance on the procedural nature of JSP evaluation forces a lot of stateful overhead that shouldn't be there.
Yeah, struts is down one...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:48:51 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:48:51 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:48:51 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 hookomjj 1 Simple? Not really.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 For true component models to come about, they need to dump JSP completely. That reliance on the procedural nature of JSP evaluation forces a lot of stateful overhead that shouldn't be there.
Yeah, struts is down one more to...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:15:24 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:15:24 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:15:24 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Dennis Bekkering 2 No http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:45:38 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:45:38 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:45:38 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Ben Rometsch 0 Simple? Not really.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 For true component models to come about, they need to dump JSP completely. That reliance on the procedural nature of JSP evaluation forces a lot of stateful overhead that shouldn't be there.Jacob, could you define what is a...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:48:57 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:48:57 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:48:57 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Michael Jouravlev 0 Simple? Not really.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 IMHO this is not simple at all!That JSP source looks like hell!If you're looking 4 something simple, you shouldtry Mentawai (http://mentawai.lohis.com.br/).
For true...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:18:18 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:18:18 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:18:18 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 hookomjj 4 Support for components in Struts http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284 I don't get why there is no framework adding components support and facelets/wicket/tapestry-like presentation handler to struts. I mean developers may continue to use ActionForms and Actions and use component extensions (similar or even...]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:26:27 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:26:27 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:26:27 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 Michael Jouravlev 0 Simple Web Framework 1.0 released http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37284
And the percentage target audience for people writing a new application + Learning a New Framework is 0.00001 %]]> Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:16:04 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:16:04 -0400 Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:16:04 -0400 Oct 26, 2005 The Industry Observer 0