Support Forums: Message List - TSS asks: Is Struts going away? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sun, 19 May 2013 05:02:11 -0400 Re: Wicket http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 Did you ever make a serious consideration of e.g. how much it costs (cpu and net) to serialize state, send that to a client (usually more precious bandwith than any cluster net, and results in large pages), and deserialize again compared to...]]> Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0400 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0400 Mon, 26 Jun 2006 02:12:19 -0400 Jun 26, 2006 George Jiang 0 Switched to Tapestry and Never going back http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 JSF is not a 'componenting of JSP'. It is a general framework for server-side UIs - not not just web pages.
 
This exact aspect of JSF (and JDO for that matter) is the greatest problem.
Technology that aims being...]]> Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:40:54 -0500 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:40:54 -0500 Fri, 18 Nov 2005 13:40:54 -0500 Nov 18, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 0 Switched to Tapestry and Never going back http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 Sun have addmitted this by createing JSF, an attempt at a componenting of JSP.
This shows a deep misunderstanding of JSF and one of its potential great advantages over other frameworks. JSF is not a 'componenting of JSP'. It...]]> Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:46 -0500 Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:46 -0500 Wed, 16 Nov 2005 16:06:46 -0500 Nov 16, 2005 Steve Zara 1 Switched to Tapestry and Never going back http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365
Unfair to call...]]> Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:54:22 -0500 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:54:22 -0500 Tue, 15 Nov 2005 12:54:22 -0500 Nov 15, 2005 John Coleman 2 coding... is NOT the future for developers... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 I'm not saying those language /will be/ more used then but they /might be/.
Fair enough. But that hardly justifies saying that Ruby and Python are successful as J2EE replacements now, which I assumed was what you are...]]> Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:16:05 -0500 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:16:05 -0500 Sat, 12 Nov 2005 07:16:05 -0500 Nov 12, 2005 Steve Zara 0 coding... is NOT the future for developers... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 Even though I am starting to move some of my development towards these languages, I find it hard to take seriously a statement like this. Right now, there is no evidence that these languages are generally successful as alternatives for J2EE....]]> Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:10:12 -0500 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:10:12 -0500 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:10:12 -0500 Nov 11, 2005 Eelco Hillenius 1 coding... is NOT the future for developers... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 Exactly. I think coding IS the future. The success of Ruby and Phython as alternatives for 'full blown J2EE' probably has to do with the fact that they are more code-oriented.
Even though I am starting to move some of my...]]> Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0500 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0500 Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:42:49 -0500 Nov 11, 2005 Steve Zara 2 coding... is NOT the future for developers... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 You're basically talking about wizard code. Wizard code is great if it matches what you want to do.Which happens about 1% of the time once you actually get into requirements. Most coding time in systems I've been hasn't been consumed by the...]]> Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:02:27 -0500 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:02:27 -0500 Thu, 10 Nov 2005 12:02:27 -0500 Nov 10, 2005 Eelco Hillenius 3 Validity of an opinion http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 Validate? I do not think so, it just shows level of commitment and indicates strong bias. It certainly does not preclude that opinion from being valid, but quite often such high level of commitment makes people deaf to critique and opposite...]]> Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:58:07 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:58:07 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 13:58:07 -0500 Nov 9, 2005 Eelco Hillenius 0 Validity of an opinion http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 BTW Does being a committer on a project preclude your opinion from being valid? I would think it should validate it. Also book authors don't make much money off of books. I think your assumption b/c you wrote a book on a topic that you cannot...]]> Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:39:46 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:39:46 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 11:39:46 -0500 Nov 9, 2005 Konstantin Ignatyev 1 Small shop or big shop? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365
JSF is certainly tool independent.
Yeah. EJB 2 was tool independent too. Such fun!
a big +1JSF is much more intuitive. It feels a lot more like a GUI style development than something like Struts or Spring...]]> Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:38:47 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:38:47 -0500 Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:38:47 -0500 Nov 9, 2005 Rick Hightower 2 Small shop or big shop? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365
I don't know if I am considered a 'JSF rocks' shouter, but I have no link to any JSF vendor or book, so this is yet more FUD.
Well, I have to take that back then in your case.
Although... I just...]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:22:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:22:30 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:22:30 -0500 Nov 8, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Not professional http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365
You are seconding a comment that has already been refuted.
Refuted? Really?

 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:18:43 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:18:43 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:18:43 -0500 Nov 8, 2005 Steve Zara 0 Not professional http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365 You are seconding a comment that has already been refuted.
Refuted? Really?]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:36:37 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:36:37 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:36:37 -0500 Nov 8, 2005 Eelco Hillenius 1 Small shop or big shop? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37365
I don't know if I am considered a 'JSF rocks' shouter, but I have no link to any JSF vendor or book, so this is yet more FUD.
Well, I have to take that back then in your case.
Although... I just take a...]]> Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:33:52 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:33:52 -0500 Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:33:52 -0500 Nov 8, 2005 Eelco Hillenius 1