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        <title>Top-down is the professional approach</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[When designing Web Services for typical applications (i.e. where the services need to be reliable, need to function for a relatively long time and change in specifications is relatively costly) you should always design first and then build. That's a very...]]></description>
        

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        <title>if want tight control of the 'contract' - top down</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Bottom up is often fine for quick and dirty web services where no one is particularly choosey about the interface.  Top down is the way to go if you're developing web services and you want to carefully design the contract.  Especially if your web service...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:02:23 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:date>Nov 22, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Craig Salter</jf:author>
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        <title>depends on intention..</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Niclas,<br><br>Thanks for your comment.<br>Humm, &quot;web services or not&quot; is a different question, but if it's supposed to be exposed as a web service, the &quot;wsdl first&quot; approach seems a right one.<br><br>taku]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:35:29 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Taku Sugimoto</jf:author>
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        <title>depends on intention..</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Ole,<br><br>I tried eclipse and WTP, which looks pretty nice!<br>I'll also your soapui.<br><br>Thanks so much!<br>Taku]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2005 08:31:13 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Taku Sugimoto</jf:author>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Taku and Ole!<br><br>I don't quite agree... It all has to do with WHY you build WebServices. Web Services are built to be used. A major part (maybe the most important factor) of WebService quality is HOW close the service consumer uses it is to the...]]></description>
        

        <pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 05:01:41 -0500</pubDate>

        

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        <jf:author>Niclas Reimertz</jf:author>
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        <title>depends on intention..</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Taku,<br><br>We have used eclipse and their WTP which works pretty well for WSDL editing. Once you start implementing I obviously have to recommend my own tool soapui (<a href="http://www.soapui.org" target="_blank">http://www.soapui.org</a>) for...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Nov 8, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Ole Matzura</jf:author>
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        <title>depends on intention..</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Ole,<br><br>Thanks very much for your insight. Do you know any recommended wsdl editors?<br><br>Thanks,<br>Taku]]></description>
        

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        <title>depends on intention..</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[Hi Taku,<br><br>From a strictly &quot;OOP&quot; point-of-view, I would argue that creating the interface (ie the WSDL) before its implementation is the (only) way to go. On the other hand, I think the best way depends a little on your...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:author>Ole Matzura</jf:author>
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        <title>which approach? - wsdl first or implementation first</title>
        <link>http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37439</link>

        

        
            <description><![CDATA[When designing and developing web services, which is better approach: wsdl first or implementation first?<br>I've thought wsdl first approach was to be taken, but it seems many tool providers such as ibm, bea or axis push implementation first...]]></description>
        

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        <jf:date>Nov 5, 2005</jf:date>
        <jf:author>Taku Sugimoto</jf:author>
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