Support Forums: Message List - Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Sat, 25 May 2013 03:23:01 -0400 food for thought http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:58:14 -0500 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:58:14 -0500 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:58:14 -0500 Dec 14, 2005 Erick Reid 0 Migratory agents, Sun's Victoria Livschitz http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:49:26 -0500 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:49:26 -0500 Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:49:26 -0500 Dec 14, 2005 Sven Bauer 0 DSO http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922
We do not do (and will not do) all that. But we do parts of it (and thinking in this direction) and I was merely pointing out that I think that we are on the right track.

I should have been more...]]> Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:13:26 -0500 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:13:26 -0500 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 17:13:26 -0500 Dec 8, 2005 Jonas Bon?r 0 erlang.. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 Lambda the ultimate thread about this article, she seems to be describing erlang.]]> Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:02 -0500 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:02 -0500 Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:02 -0500 Dec 8, 2005 Mikko Mattila 0 How much of the problem is language... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922
I'm in complete agreement that substantial improvements, at least from a theoretical standpoint, could be made in programming languages. However, I'm not convinced it will make that huge of a difference because...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:06:05 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:06:05 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 19:06:05 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 Erik Engbrecht 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 It's hard to say if she really have some idea, but nobody understand what she is trying to explain.An understanding of grids, cycle scavenging, or utility computing surely gives an appreciation for her ideas.]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:37:50 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:37:50 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:37:50 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 Brian Miller 0 Migratory agents, Sun's Victoria Livschitz http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 The concept of a "distributed runtime environment" that sort of magically cares about the distribution of my components in my opinion seems to be a misconception. ... However, after following this path for a while our industry more...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:05:33 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:05:33 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 16:05:33 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 Brian Miller 1 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 All of the concepts mentioned are either already "in the language" or are mis-conceptions about what syntax is and how it affects semantics.I can't agree with that for two reasons:

1) She didn't say anything...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 15:29:21 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 Brian Miller 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 First I used to program (from ASM C/C++ UNIX and win32 /.NET CORBA J2ME JavaCard, J2SE, J2EE...)
In my opinion the basic idea of the new language as I understand it from the paper is to...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:38:46 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:38:46 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 10:38:46 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 steve random 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922
... I don't see how anything she says in the interview even touches on problems like the logical complexity of consistent change in decentralized systems.
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All of this sounds a lot like some of the agent based systems...]]> Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:03:19 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:03:19 -0500 Wed, 07 Dec 2005 05:03:19 -0500 Dec 7, 2005 Maarten Hazewinkel 1 I just doubt it http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:21:21 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:21:21 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:21:21 -0500 Dec 6, 2005 Jim Lee 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 I'd say the article is unsatisfying; it offers too little information for the reader to get a clear mental image of how this is going to work.

Object-orientation once also started with very...]]> Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:00:38 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:00:38 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:00:38 -0500 Dec 6, 2005 joost de vries 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:18:36 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:18:36 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 17:18:36 -0500 Dec 6, 2005 aljeru 0 no another language http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922
I can do the same program in assembly than in Java, This is because I can program, The programming language is supposed to help you to express your program, to facilitate and...]]> Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:56:05 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:56:05 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:56:05 -0500 Dec 6, 2005 candido lopez rodriguez 0 Sun's Victoria Livschitz: "Envisioning a New Language" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37922
Considering that the hype languages of the moment (Ruby et al) are just putting some fine touches on the same object-orientation ...
I agree with you about object-orientation. However I don't see how anything she says...]]> Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:39:52 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:39:52 -0500 Tue, 06 Dec 2005 16:39:52 -0500 Dec 6, 2005 Pavel Tavoda 4