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having all these methods on the interface makes it much harder to implement the interface....Arguably, the map interface should have two methods: keySet() and get(key) and a ModifiableMap should add put(key, value).
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Arguably, the map interface should have two methods: keySet() and get(key) and a ModifiableMap should add put(key, value).
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addAll(int index, Collection...]]> Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:26 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:26 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 16:01:26 -0500 Dec 13, 2005 James Watson 2 This is hopefully a fertile discussion, not a futile one http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
But I think, Elliotte misses a crucial point: While some of Java's core classes indeed do...]]> Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:22:12 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:22:12 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 14:22:12 -0500 Dec 13, 2005 Karl Peterbauer 3 The Conservation Law of Coding-Learning http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
One of the great strengh of Java over...]]> Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:11:49 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:11:49 -0500 Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:11:49 -0500 Dec 13, 2005 hacking bear 0 Changing characteristics with the situation. http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
The nearest solution in Java 1.4 I think is to have...]]> Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:36:42 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:36:42 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 09:36:42 -0500 Dec 12, 2005 Neil Ellis 0 You can have your cake and eat it too! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 One might say that aspects are overkill solution to this problem but on the other hand multiple helper classes (StringUtils, ArrayUtils, etc.) is not very elegant solution either.If aspect technology is used in a project anyway, I would use...]]> Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:21:22 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:21:22 -0500 Mon, 12 Dec 2005 03:21:22 -0500 Dec 12, 2005 MOHAN RADHAKRISHNAN 0 Move over Minimalist, here comes Humane http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 Anyway, all this "humane ve minimalist" polarization brings me memories from the RISK vs CISC wars...]]> Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:07:20 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:07:20 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 16:07:20 -0500 Dec 11, 2005 Henrique Steckelberg 0 Move over Minimalist, here comes Humane http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 The minimalist argument is that List (or Array) doesn’t *need* a first or last because that functionality is already contained in the get(int index) method.
Ahem. So instead of writing X.last(), I should write...]]> Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:06:46 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:06:46 -0500 Sun, 11 Dec 2005 03:06:46 -0500 Dec 11, 2005 Tom Eugelink 0 Move over Minimalist, here comes Humane http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 Considering Martin Fowlers comments on the List class of java and Ruby, it is always better to leave some operations to be performed on the client code rather than doing it in some of the core...]]> Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:59:33 -0500 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:59:33 -0500 Sat, 10 Dec 2005 04:59:33 -0500 Dec 10, 2005 chandrasekar ramaswamy 0 You can have your cake and eat it too! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 This style also offers a way to customize the interfaces to suit individual project's need. After all, one project's convenience may be other's nuisance.-Ramnivas
Very good point indeed. One might say that aspects are overkill...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:47:53 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:47:53 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 15:47:53 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 Markus Hjort 2 You can have your cake and eat it too! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990 Creating humane interfaces using AspectJ.

With AspectJ's inter-type declaration feature, you create core interfaces following the minimalist approach and...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:57:58 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:57:58 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:57:58 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 Ramnivas Laddad 3 Move over Minimalist, here comes Humane http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
It all depends on the language, library and people who use them (I guess Ruby developers are lazy and don’t mind polluted...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:46:52 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 Tsolak Petrosian 0 Different language, different needs http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
- Ruby isn't Java: the language promotes the use of lists and list processing - a flatten method is as useful in ruby as it is in Lisp

- Ruby has mix-ins: when you look at...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:41:07 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:41:07 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 11:41:07 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 Charles Wise 0 How many too much? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=37990
I feel interface should be simple but having many methods is not a sin, depending on situation. We need...]]> Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:27 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:27 -0500 Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:44:27 -0500 Dec 9, 2005 d c 0