Support Forums: Message List - Agile development: does it do away with QA staff? http://www.theserverside.com Most recent forum messages en Jive Forums Silver 5.5.30 (www.jivesoftware.com) Thu, 23 May 2013 21:11:26 -0400 The Power of Rhetoric... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:31:54 -0400 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:31:54 -0400 Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:31:54 -0400 Jun 23, 2006 PAUL COURTNEY 0 mode of hire => quality of work ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 Part of the problem is that they are contractors.Such a sweeping statement, without any analysis !

OK, yes, I'm currently working in testing, and am a contractor - so whether I get re-hired depends on whether I do my work...]]> Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:12 -0500 Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:12 -0500 Tue, 14 Feb 2006 06:55:12 -0500 Feb 14, 2006 Mike Whittaker 0 Agile's Silver Bullet Won't Kill the Need for Testing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785
I have a very interesting question: Guys, how do you manage to track who replies to whom and when? Do...]]> Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:53:43 -0500 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:53:43 -0500 Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:53:43 -0500 Feb 8, 2006 Slava Imeshev 0 Agile's Silver Bullet Won't Kill the Need for Testing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785
- Scott]]> Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:10:30 -0500 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:10:30 -0500 Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:10:30 -0500 Feb 5, 2006 Scott Ambler 2 Neither one http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 And in my experience, really hip people bring up the guy in Office Space...

---Michael B.
That was an (attempted at least) quote from the movie, or are you trying to be sarcastic? Anyway, sorry, I'm sure you are tired...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:19:01 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:19:01 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 22:19:01 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Michael Bolton 0 Abnormal?! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 What users are you forgetting? What users might you not like? What might a user that you like do by accident?
Exactly. As I was once told by someone very wise, "Nothing is foolproof, because fools are so...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:24:24 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:24:24 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:24:24 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Dave Rooney 0 Neither one http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 No. And in my experience, really hip people bring up the guy in Office Space, rather than the singer guy. But hey, better luck next time. :)---Michael B.
That was an (attempted at least) quote from the movie, or are you...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:03:20 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 James Watson 1 ... http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 the fact that none of this stuff is new
And that, after all is said and done, is really the point I wanted to make.

All infighting to the side, however, here's an interesting piece re: people from a current newsfeed...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:43:28 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:43:28 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:43:28 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Ethan Allen 0 Abnormal?! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 After all, there are things that testers do that normal humans would never dream of! :)
Hey... who you callin' abnormal?! :)

Actually, that's a great example of a reframe that we like to apply, and that we try to...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:36:07 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:36:07 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:36:07 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Michael Bolton 1 Agile's Silver Bullet Won't Kill the Need for Testing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 I contend that agile approaches promote a better job of confirmatory testing (thus makes much of the traditionalist QA role unnecessary, as Scott argues), but that it is still mostly clueless about investigative, risk-focused, exploratory...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:22:34 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:22:34 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:22:34 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Dave Rooney 2 Neither one http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785
---Michael B.]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:11:59 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:11:59 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:11:59 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Michael Bolton 2 Agile's Silver Bullet Won't Kill the Need for Testing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:08:37 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:08:37 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:08:37 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 James Watson 3 Agile's Silver Bullet Won't Kill the Need for Testing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785
Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:00:01 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:00:01 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:00:01 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 Michael Bolton 10 It's not that great http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 Funny. I see the data community as the major problem. Treating the db as the center of the universe. Not that a lot of developers haven't contributed to the problem. Views and SPs can help, but they don't provide an adequete abstraction...]]> Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:43:12 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:43:12 -0500 Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:43:12 -0500 Feb 3, 2006 James Watson 0 It's not that great http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=38785 That it's difficult to refactor the DB is not the data community's fault, it's the software community's fault. The only reason it's hard to rename a column is because there is code out there that depends upon it i.e. there's a very strong...]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:00:39 -0500 Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:00:39 -0500 Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:00:39 -0500 Feb 2, 2006 Mark N 1