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Wow. Isnt there anything else for these talented developers to be working on besides frameworks?
Absolutely. My day job involves working on software to expedite research into cancer and other diseases with a genetic...]]> Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:56:37 -0500 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:56:37 -0500 Wed, 29 Mar 2006 03:56:37 -0500 Mar 29, 2006 PJ Murray 0 Jdon Framework http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529
Jdon Framework combines with rapidity and agility for your J2EE application architecture. and...]]> Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:23:06 -0500 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:23:06 -0500 Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:23:06 -0500 Mar 28, 2006 query weki 0 Facets and "Procedural back-ends" http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Well, I certainly don't advocate a procedure-only view of the world. But nowadays I see a healthy mix of procedures and objects being used. The reason, as stated previously, is that real-world systems involve people and people tend to...]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:34:09 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:34:09 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:34:09 -0500 Mar 24, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 0 Use Cases, Actors, MDA... the facets approach fit well ! http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Hi Remi,We probably have different sorts of customers! To me, the use case often becomes a very detailed description of the expected customer experience. The operation of the UI is fundamental and though it involves object manipulation...]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:03:17 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:03:17 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 05:03:17 -0500 Mar 24, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 0 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 blockquote>Remember the problems many developers had (still have?) moving from a procedural way of thinking to an OO wayWell, no offense, but that may be your case right now ;-PActually, executing actions is procedural (struts...]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:29:54 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:29:54 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:29:54 -0500 Mar 24, 2006 Kit Davies 1 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Once again don't get me wrong : the use case is a cornerstone in development process (links with customer, per use-case validation, etc.) ! But that's precisely where facets excel ! Once again it's closer to OO semantics than page-building...]]> Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:15:32 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:15:32 -0500 Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:15:32 -0500 Mar 24, 2006 Kit Davies 1 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Well, even the JSF cardemo, you have different types of cars, each with different features that need to be displayed. So the Java model/negotiation layer can customize all of the controls and state on the fly from backing logic-- similar to...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:29:55 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:29:55 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 15:29:55 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 0 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Well yes, though I think tables and records are sufficiently familiar to the average end user from everyday use that it is not a problem presenting such in a UI.And it causes us endless problems. People think they are familiar....]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:05:58 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:05:58 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:05:58 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Mark N 0 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 But as explained in the JSF tuto (which I dived into, contrary to what you think), and in general examples and code I could look at, it's very "page-oriented". Just look at the nav... it looks like completely opposite to...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:35:53 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:35:53 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 13:35:53 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 hookomjj 1 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 I read about your Facets stuff when it was first mentioned on TSS, and what you are promoting,
Promoting ?
I'm just sharing my own receipies.
No offense, but there's more politics around JSF, facelets etc. I think...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:55:05 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:55:05 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:55:05 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 2 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:19:37 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:19:37 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:19:37 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 hookomjj 3 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Huh? JSF isn't bound to any particular object model for invocation. That's why you have Shale dialogs/whatever, Seam's IoC model, or even Spring beans.
I don't get your point sorry, I was talking about an UI design...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:04:47 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:04:47 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 12:04:47 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 4 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Actually, executing actions is procedural (struts or webwork or JSF events), whereas facets executed on objects, handling polymorphism etc, is closer to OO semantics, and very easy to use when you "think object" from the...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:33:31 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:33:31 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:33:31 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 hookomjj 5 Another Way Of Doing It ? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 Well yes, though I think tables and records are sufficiently familiar to the average end user from everyday use that it is not a problem presenting such in a UI.
Well, a collection of beans with properties is similar then....]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:23:31 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:23:31 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:23:31 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 8 WebOnSwing http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39529 have u seen Web on Swing?
No I didn't know this. But as far as I understood from a quick browsing, it looks more like a "rich-client building platform" than real...]]> Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:08:07 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:08:07 -0500 Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:08:07 -0500 Mar 23, 2006 Remi Vankeisbelck 0