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Well it took Java at least 6-7 years to reach the richness of Smalltalk's tooling, and yet that didn't stop people adopting it.

It stopped me, and (I suspect) plenty of others. Until Java had decent performance and...]]> Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:32:24 -0400 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:32:24 -0400 Sat, 22 Apr 2006 07:32:24 -0400 Apr 22, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Bambi meets Godzilla http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696

There is an obvious portability advantage.Also, how long do you think it is going to take for the richness of Java's tooling, libraries and frameworks to be implemented in native Ruby?

Well it took Java at least 6-7...]]> Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:28:56 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:28:56 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:28:56 -0400 Apr 17, 2006 Steve Zara 1 Bambi meets Godzilla http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 There is an obvious portability advantage.Also, how long do you think it is going to take for the richness of Java's tooling, libraries and frameworks to be implemented in native Ruby?Well it took Java at least 6-7 years to...]]> Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:09:45 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:09:45 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:09:45 -0400 Apr 17, 2006 Paul Beckford 2 Bambi versus Godzilla http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 There are at least 4 new Ruby books in the pipeline this year and more scheduled. The pragmatic programmers are doing a very good job at marketing Ruby.
I'm not so sure. Have a look at the TIOBE index. Ruby barely...]]> Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:35:43 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:35:43 -0400 Mon, 17 Apr 2006 02:35:43 -0400 Apr 17, 2006 Steve Zara 3 Bambi versus Godzilla http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696
Came across this blog entry and thought you and others would find it very interesting:

Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 Sun, 16 Apr 2006 05:33:57 -0400 Apr 16, 2006 Paul Beckford 4 Customer Collaboration - It's your call http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 Someone on the team needs a deep understanding of the entire picture. That's my job.
Understood. Sounds like the programmer who goes off and works with the end-users for a week or two to gain their perspective.

It...]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:40:57 -0400 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:40:57 -0400 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:40:57 -0400 Apr 13, 2006 Paul Beckford 0 Customer Collaboration http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 I'm not knocking what you are doing, I'm just saying that with more collaboration with the customer/end users things could be a whole lot better. The problem though is getting them to commit the time to work with you right? (I know even with...]]> Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:37 -0400 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:37 -0400 Thu, 13 Apr 2006 08:25:37 -0400 Apr 13, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 1 Business Value http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:42:53 -0400 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:42:53 -0400 Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:42:53 -0400 Apr 11, 2006 Paul Beckford 2 Business Value http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 A pragmatic way forward, but it is worth remembering that you are not the business,
I am not the business, but I am part of it.

and if you take on the responsibility for defining what's need then it follows that...]]> Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:40:03 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:40:03 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:40:03 -0400 Apr 10, 2006 Erik Engbrecht 3 But isn't ROR rehashing lots of old ideas? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696
You think you should stick to the XP principle that future use of code is inappropriate.A fair summary?
You got me mostly right. As I understand it XP says design for today refactor for tomorrow. This works if your...]]> Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:30:03 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:30:03 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:30:03 -0400 Apr 10, 2006 Steve Zara 5 But isn't ROR rehashing lots of old ideas? http://www.theserverside.com/discussions/thread.tss?thread_id=39696 You think you should stick to the XP principle that future use of code is inappropriate.A fair summary?

Rather than asking users to guess what will add value, we deliver what they see as their highest priority needs and allow them to use it.

User perceived value and business value, IMHO, are only weakly correlated....]]> Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:35:11 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:35:11 -0400 Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:35:11 -0400 Apr 10, 2006 Paul Beckford 4